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| Would you buy a 176-page hardcover of The Ravage Earth Society if the PDF version were included as well? Retail would be $29.95. |
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jblittlefield
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 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: [DGP] TRES Hardcover |
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Peter and I are looking in to doing a limited print run (100 copies with hardcovers) of The Ravaged Earth Society. In order to do this, we're probably going to reduce the page count to somewhere between 176-192 pages so we can retail the books for $29.95 a pop. All who buy this initial print run will get a FREE copy of the PDF version of TRES included with their book.
Does this sound like something you guys would be interested in? Why or why not?
Just wondering if there's enough interest here to bother....
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Banjo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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I voted yes but because I'm in Australia, I would probably only get the PDF  |
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Banjo wrote: | | I voted yes but because I'm in Australia, I would probably only get the PDF |
Why? Peter lives in Australia and will be keeping a few books on hand. Besides, I can ship the book via Global Priority Mail (Flat Rate) for around $9 if all else were to fail.
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Banjo
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RooksGambit
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I'd buy it all day long.
If you end up doing it, I'll go ahead and guarantee my purchase.
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MarshalEric
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'd get a limited edition TRES hardback with a page count of 176-192 pages for $29.99 if a free PDF were thrown in as well. What a bargain! 
And I would say that even if I hadn't written it! 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Depends. Will the material above the 17x-19x page count still be in the pdf? And if so, what is being left out?
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| redeucer wrote: | | Depends. Will the material above the 17x-19x page count still be in the pdf? And if so, what is being left out? |
No. It'll appear as web freebies on the DGP website, within the Gazetteer, and as a series of articles for The New York Chronicle.
We simply decided to focus the majority of the background material on the United States - saving the rest of the world (other than a brief description and a few adventure seeds) for the Gazetteer.
A couple of areas were actually expanded...now go vote yes! |
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Kane
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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I had to vote yes. Everthing I read about this setting makes me want it more and more. The problem is that I'm an old school gamer. I like the feel of a good hardbound set of rules in my hand. i need that connection to help me get into the mindset. Printed and bound PDF's are find for reading and rules crunching, but they lack that essence that I need to slip into the world setting.
Guess I'm to old to change my ways. |
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| Kane wrote: | I had to vote yes. Everthing I read about this setting makes me want it more and more. The problem is that I'm an old school gamer. I like the feel of a good hardbound set of rules in my hand. i need that connection to help me get into the mindset. Printed and bound PDF's are find for reading and rules crunching, but they lack that essence that I need to slip into the world setting.
Guess I'm to old to change my ways. |
This will be an actual hardcover gamebook -- not just a printed PDF that we had bound at Kinkos. When you buy the book, you'll receive a passcode via e-mail good for a free download of the TRES PDF file (via RPGNow).
Just wanted to clarify as I wasn't quite sure if you were clear on that. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| jblittlefield wrote: | | redeucer wrote: | | Depends. Will the material above the 17x-19x page count still be in the pdf? And if so, what is being left out? |
No. It'll appear as web freebies on the DGP website, within the Gazetteer, and as a series of articles for The New York Chronicle.
We simply decided to focus the majority of the background material on the United States - saving the rest of the world (other than a brief description and a few adventure seeds) for the Gazetteer.
A couple of areas were actually expanded...now go vote yes! |
OK! OK! You can LET GO OF MY ARM NOW!!! 
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Kane
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| jblittlefield wrote: | | Kane wrote: | I had to vote yes. Everthing I read about this setting makes me want it more and more. The problem is that I'm an old school gamer. I like the feel of a good hardbound set of rules in my hand. i need that connection to help me get into the mindset. Printed and bound PDF's are find for reading and rules crunching, but they lack that essence that I need to slip into the world setting.
Guess I'm to old to change my ways. |
This will be an actual hardcover gamebook -- not just a printed PDF that we had bound at Kinkos. When you buy the book, you'll receive a passcode via e-mail good for a free download of the TRES PDF file (via RPGNow).
Just wanted to clarify as I wasn't quite sure if you were clear on that. |
Actually, the faults mine. i understood what you ment. I just didn't make myself as clear as I should have. Sorry.  |
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BluSponge
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:17 am Post subject: Re: TRES Hardcover |
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| jblittlefield wrote: | | In order to do this, we're probably going to reduce the page count to somewhere between 176-192 pages so we can retail the books for $29.95 a pop. All who buy this initial print run will get a FREE copy of the PDF version of TRES included with their book. |
I said yes, but I have a couple of questions:
How much would the full page count hardcover cost?
How much would the POD version cost?
What are you cutting?
See I might be willing to pay $35 for the HC to get it all in there. But either way, I suspect RES is going to be one of those books that I have a hard copy of, so I don't really care if it's a shiney HC (sweet as it may be) or a shiney POD, or if I have to pay $5 here or there to get it. What DOES interest me is whether the POD will have more content than the HC. If that's the case, I'd rather pay a little more for the HC, or just get the POD. Even if the pdf is included (which is a cool deal and definitely a selling point).
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Piotr Korys
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I`ve voted Yes. But I hope it wont be to soon, as I`ve bought to many books right now 
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:21 am Post subject: Re: TRES Hardcover |
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| BluSponge wrote: | | jblittlefield wrote: | | In order to do this, we're probably going to reduce the page count to somewhere between 176-192 pages so we can retail the books for $29.95 a pop. All who buy this initial print run will get a FREE copy of the PDF version of TRES included with their book. |
I said yes, but I have a couple of questions:
How much would the full page count hardcover cost?
How much would the POD version cost?
What are you cutting?
See I might be willing to pay $35 for the HC to get it all in there. But either way, I suspect RES is going to be one of those books that I have a hard copy of, so I don't really care if it's a shiney HC (sweet as it may be) or a shiney POD, or if I have to pay $5 here or there to get it. What DOES interest me is whether the POD will have more content than the HC. If that's the case, I'd rather pay a little more for the HC, or just get the POD. Even if the pdf is included (which is a cool deal and definitely a selling point).
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Full page (most likely we were looking at 224+ pages) hardcover would have been around $39.99 and PoD would probably have been $34.99. The PDF would have been $29.99.
Honestly, those prices may have been OK with a few gamers, but I'm willing to bet that we would have lost a lot of sales -- regardless of the page count or what we included.
The PDF will contain the same content as the hardcover.
The stuff cut was mainly information that seemed better suited for inclusion in the Gazetteer. No rules or anything were cut. |
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Doc_Chronos
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:04 am Post subject: TRES Hardcover |
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I voted yes. This sounds like a great deal.
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SavagedRobby
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I'd definitely be interested in this. I actually really like this type of arrangement, and wish more companies would do it.
I often get the PDF of a product, and I often get the HC as well. Usually, though, I try to find the HC at a discounted price somewhere (like ebay), rather than buy from S&R or another higher priced outlet. But if the PDF were part of that purchase, I'd spend the money directly, rather than indirectly (its a minor difference, but it helps get product off the warehouse shelves).
Also doesn't hurt that I'm looking forward to TRES in general. 
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BluSponge
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: Re: TRES Hardcover |
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| jblittlefield wrote: | Full page (most likely we were looking at 224+ pages) hardcover would have been around $39.99 and PoD would probably have been $34.99. The PDF would have been $29.99.
Honestly, those prices may have been OK with a few gamers, but I'm willing to bet that we would have lost a lot of sales -- regardless of the page count or what we included. |
Ouch! Yeah, that would have been a bit pricey. I mean, I still would have been game for the POD version, but I think you guys are doing the right thing here. I can't imagine anyone paying $30 for the pdf. 
| Quote: | The PDF will contain the same content as the hardcover.
The stuff cut was mainly information that seemed better suited for inclusion in the Gazetteer. No rules or anything were cut. |
Sounds cool. So what are the specs on the Gazetteer? And where will all the cool adventure threads you've been posting be reprinted and elaborated upon?
Tom |
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jblittlefield
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: TRES Hardcover |
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| BluSponge wrote: | | jblittlefield wrote: | Full page (most likely we were looking at 224+ pages) hardcover would have been around $39.99 and PoD would probably have been $34.99. The PDF would have been $29.99.
Honestly, those prices may have been OK with a few gamers, but I'm willing to bet that we would have lost a lot of sales -- regardless of the page count or what we included. |
Ouch! Yeah, that would have been a bit pricey. I mean, I still would have been game for the POD version, but I think you guys are doing the right thing here. I can't imagine anyone paying $30 for the pdf. |
Yeah, and with my rep as a cheapskate, I'd never hear the end of it!
| BluSponge wrote: | | jblittlefield wrote: | The PDF will contain the same content as the hardcover.
The stuff cut was mainly information that seemed better suited for inclusion in the Gazetteer. No rules or anything were cut. |
Sounds cool. So what are the specs on the Gazetteer? And where will all the cool adventure threads you've been posting be reprinted and elaborated upon? |
The adventure seeds will appear in various sources: some as Ravaged Serial web freebies on the DGP site, others within the pages of The New York Chronicle (the official newsletter of TRES), and yet others will be elaborated on in the Gazetteer(s)...
Ah! You noticed the "(s)" -- truth is, we're not sure how we're going to handle the gazetteers. They may be released as a two-volume set: Volume One - The West and Volume Two - The East. They may be done as a series, with each book focusing on a specific continent or geographical region. Honestly, we don't know yet. |
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