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SavageGamerGirl · Heroic Joined: 24 Oct 2010 Posts: 1258

Has anyone gone through the monsters in SWD and figured out their Combat Ratings yet?

I think it would be neat to have an accounting of that, for those who'd like to use it.
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Takeda · Heroic Joined: 28 Apr 2009 Posts: 1339

Do you mean there equivalent xp worth? That would be a huge undertaking ...
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SavageGamerGirl · Heroic Joined: 24 Oct 2010 Posts: 1258

No, using the Combat Rating system introduced in Deluxe edition, back in the GM's section.
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Virgobrown72 · Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject:

I think I may do this for myself...
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sablemage · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject:

I did that a while ago, I'll see if I can find the spreadsheet.

I found it wasn't as cut and dried as you might think, since there's often a judgement call on whether a special ability counts as a combat edge or not. For example, if a creature has "Armour +2", I wouldn't count that, as I am already adding (Toughness-5) to the CR; and if it has "Size +8" I ignore that, since (a) it's already in the Toughness and (b) being easier to hit doesn't sound like an advantage.
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sablemage · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject:

OK, here we go... monsters, summoned allies and archetypes alphabetically; you should allow a point or two either way for windage, since equipment and an individual GM's view of what is or is not a combat special ability can adjust the CV by that much.

Alligator/Crocodile: 7
Bear, Large: 9
Bull: 8
Cat, Small: 3
Dire Wolf: 5
Dog/Wolf: 4
Drake: 28
Dragon: 36
Elemental, Earth: 9
Elemental, Fire: 7
Elemental, Water: 7
Elemental, Air: 6
Giant Worm: 35
Ghost: 4
Goblin: 3
Horse, Riding: 5
Horse, War: 8
Lich: 19
Lion: 8
Mech (Sentinel): 8
Minotaur: 10
Mule: 4
Ogre: 10
Orc: 6
Orc Chieftain: 18
Shark, Great White: 10
Shark, Medium Maneater: 4
Skeleton: 5
Snake, Constrictor: 3
Snake, Venomous: 3
Spider, Giant: 5
Swarm: 4
Troll: 9
Vampire, Ancient: 23
Vampire, Young: 8
Werewolf: 8
Zombie: 4

Summoned Ally: Bodyguard: 8
Summoned Ally: Sentinel: 13

Archetype: Driver: 7
Archetype: Face: 6
Archetype: Fighter, Fencer: 8
Archetype: Fighter, Great Weapon: 13
Archetype: Investigator: 6
Archetype: Leader: 6
Archetype: Mage: 6
Archetype: Marksman: 9
Archetype: Martial Artist: 7
Archetype: Pilot: 7
Archetype: Pirate: 8
Archetype: Pistoleer: 8
Archetype: Priest, Healer: 6
Archetype: Rogue: 7
Archetype: Scientist: 4
Archetype: Scientist, Weird: 6
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sablemage · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:38 pm Post subject:

And here they are sorted by CV, rounded to the nearest whole number.

3: Cat, Small; Goblin; Snake, Constrictor; Snake, Venomous.

4: Archetype: Scientist; Dog/Wolf; Ghost; Mule; Shark, Medium Maneater; Swarm; Zombie.

5: Dire Wolf; Horse, Riding; Skeleton; Spider, Giant.

6: Archetypes - Face, Investigator, Leader, Mage, Priest (Healer), Scientist (Weird); Elemental, Air; Orc.

7: Archetypes - Driver, Martial Artist, Pilot, Rogue; Alligator/Crocodile; Elemental, Fire; Elemental, Water.

8: Archetypes - Fighter (Fencer), Pirate, Pistoleer; Bull; Horse, War; Lion; Mech (Sentinel); Summoned Ally (Bodyguard); Vampire, Young; Werewolf.

9: Archetype, Marksman; Bear, Large; Elemental, Earth; Troll.

10: Minotaur; Ogre; Shark, Great White.

13: Archetype - Fighter (Great Weapon); Summoned Ally (Sentinel).

18: Orc Chieftain.

19: Lich (don't forget the lich has 4d10 zombies with him, so his actual CV is 35-59).

23: Vampire, Ancient.

28: Drake.

35: Giant Worm.

36: Dragon.
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sablemage · Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:39 pm Post subject:

Do not boogie with the Lich. He will mess you up.
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Clint · Site Admin Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 16176

I say they all have a Combat Rating of 2. Twisted Evil

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ogbendog · Heroic Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1916

I like that the Dragon is the most. by a lot.

But...

A lich is more than 19. At 50 pp and every spell known, I'd say their "typical" attack is a 3d6 bolt.

so:
9 - 1/2 the max damage
10 - toughness of 15

that's 19 right there. plus maybe 3 for the undead traits, +1 for touch that wounds, then + something for knowing every spell in existence.

ogbendog · Heroic Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1916

which is probably why they didn't publish the ratings. It's highly relative.

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sablemage · Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:33 pm Post subject:

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ogbendog · Heroic Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1916

yeah, things like high intimidate or taunt, high stealth don't factor in.

it's more of an estimate of (physical) combat ability

I think if I ran a lich, he'd mostly focus on escape plans. Invisibility, cast spells, and when the undead run low, bug out.

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