Great White Games/Pinnacle Entertainment Group

[Doc Firefly]

I do a lot with showdown. I have a Zombie survival Game, a sort-of Pulpy-WWII skirmish game (I run the Chetniks). A Near Future Necromunda type skirmish, a 15mm Weird War II game (actually run by my friend Jim), a few post apoc games, and some fantasy skirmish. But I ahve two issues:

1) the price of Smarts and Agility being discounted in the game (being half Strength, Vigor and Spirit.) Smarts and Agility aren't directly related to combat, but I use them for everything else. For example any skill roll that might come up (like Noticing, Sneaking or Lock picking) that comes up I Default to these skills. When the characters try something physical (
like jumping a fence) it is an agility roll. Since SW is a Pulpy game, these things come up and NEED something to base it off of. To this end, I make all attributes the Same cost.

2) Rate of fire. Using the point system a .30-06 hunting rifle without a scope is more costly than an M16. Just because it can do more damage. But here is my thing. With an AR's ROF of 3 you can take up to 3 chances a turn to kill someone where the Remington only has 1 chance. Probability is the basis of this (and every other) wargame, so the ROF should be a multiplier in the point value, not simply an addition.

Am I crazy or does this make sense?
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[Ranger Dave]

Makes sense. I'm interested in your near future skirmish. Would you mind sharing?

Here's my Zombie game - http://rangerdavegames.blogspot.com.
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Ranger Dave Ross

[Doc Firefly]

Essentially what I did was create archatypes for experience level, race, team function, weapons and gear. You have 1000 points to make your team with. This lets me use whatever minis I can find and play games. I have a halfling sniper team, cyber-robots, heros (a team with my favorite minis stated out to 200 points each) mercs, scavengers, a monster hunting motorcycle gang (my Victorias from Malifaux) a group of high tech vampires (Bakunin from Infinity) and so on. My little armies can fit into a small tin and they transport easy. There is no real story, I just take a group on minis I like, come up with a theme and run stat it out.
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All men dream, but not equally
-T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

[Ranger Dave]

Do you just use the spreadsheet for points?
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Ranger Dave Ross

[ogbendog]

Annoyingly, the rules don't include the costs, they refer to the spreadsheet, which you can use to reverse engineer the costs

ROF adds +10 for ROF 2, +20 for ROF 3, etc.
Your typical rifle costs areound 18, an M16 costs 38

for skills, attack skills costs die size/2, -1 times 3. sl:
d4 = 3
d6 = 6
d8 = 9
etc.

Unlisted Skills
Misc. d4 Skill 2
Misc. d6 Skill 3
Misc. d8 Skill 4
Misc. d10 Skill 5
Misc. d12 Skill 6
Misc. d12+1 Skill 6.5
Misc. d12+2 Skill 7

If notice, or Sneaking, or Lockpicking comes up, it's d4-2 unless they paid for it. You've made it a Setting Rule that those skills default to attribute; in which case you should make the attributes more expensive.

[dglass]

[Doc Firefly]