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[jcayer]

My group just played a PotSM one shot using the pregens provided. One of the them had edges that allowed him to reload his musket in one turn(instead of 2) and if he didn't move, get a +2 to hit.

One of the players in the group said if the PC did not move, he could reload, and fire in the same round. The -2(multiple actions) and +2(edge) would cancel each other out.

As the GM I had issues with this since there is no negative to the reload since there is no check associated with it.

How is this handled?
Thanks
Josh

[newForumNewName]

The player was correct.
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[ogbendog]

He spent two edges, and he can't move.

[jcayer]

When you put it like that.."he took 2 edges", I get it.
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[Tavis]

And the downside is definitely "He Can't Move"

So no backing away from the charging native, no dropping prone to avoid incoming fire ... he stands there and shoots, reloads and shoots ...

Very effective yes, but comes with inherent risks.

In a previous 50 Fathoms campaign we had an ex RN Marine who ended up with Musketeer, Marksman and Improved Trademark Weapon.

If he was able to find a nice piece of cover and spend his battles there he was really able to shine.

In other situations his 'fighting style' really didn't help at all - Tavern Brawls certainly weren't his thing! There are times when you don't want to bring a gun to a knife-fight.
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[wheatiess]

in dead lands there is a passage about not being able to multi action reload for powder muskets

Any time your firearm runs out of
ammo, your hero must spend an action reloading.
He can still shoot in the same round, but he takes
a –2 multi action penalty to his Shooting roll.
Weapons with Reload 2 or more work as
described in Savage Worlds. And before you ask—
no, you can’t take a multi-action penalty and get
all the actions done in a single turn! But nice try,
amigo, you’ll go far in the Weird West!

the first bit implies weapon that dont have a reload quality

a crossbow that has reload 1 needs to be cranked and requires a full round and can thus be fired every second round

although the rule book says
Each weapon tells you
how many actions it requires to reload, such as 1/3, which
means the weapon can fire every third round if the firer does
nothing but load every action.

which is either a typo or implies that a reload 1 weapon means nothing

i play that reloading takes the full round with a skill test to load black powder(at +2 for measured flasks of powder so pass most of the time except when on a coach or riding at speed) but have made black powder weapons much more deadly.

so depends on the setting if you have a archer in the group you may want it to be every other round but then i guess archer can take double shot. if it is all black powder maybe every round with the multi action is fine

and

Speed Load
Requirements: Seasoned, Agility d8+, Shooting
d6+
Your pistolero has mastered the fi ne art of loading
his six-gun in an all-fired hurry. Your hero can
reload one weapon on his action, ignoring the usual
–2 penalty to Shooting rolls in the same round.
If your hero is using a weapon that requires a
full round or more to load the time required is
reduced by 1 round.

[Clint]

[wheatiess]

but if using the dealand rules how would reload one be diferent form a weapon that does not have reload at all.

the -2 on the turn that you reload is for weapons that have no reload quality for example

the Rupertus Pepperbox can only chamber one round but it could be fired every turn with the -2 penalty as it has NO reload quality similar to many single barrel shotguns

deadland is a different setting and there are no reload one weapons in it but how would you diferenciate between the rupertus pepperbox and a cross bow or is the reload quality one useless in deadlands

[ogbendog]

by default if no reload is listed, reloading is free.

for example, bows you reload for free. Also guns, all guns in SWD unless noted otherwise, reloading is a free action.

In Deadlands, as you noted, all firearms take at least 1 round to reload. The only weapon without out a reload is a bow.

So a cross bow relaod, the fire, or fire at -2
a pepperbox you can treat just as a crossbow, but of course if it's fully loaded you don't have to worry about reloading, at least for a few rounds.

[wheatiess]

reloading from soloman kane

Reloading: Weapons such as firearms and
crossbows are very slow to reload. The table
lists how many full actions it requires to
reload such weapons.


crap... i swear one of the setting book says musketter reduces the time it takes by one round making it a one round reload. just read soloman kane and spainish and it says reduced to one action so yes that could be multi actioned.

but my arguement as to the difference between reload 1 and a weapon that can only chamber one round in dealands still stands

[wheatiess]

evernight characters with musketter can fire every second round instead of every third round. all their weapons are reload 2

[ogbendog]

A reload 1 wpn, like a double barreled shot gun, or a revolver, reloads the entire thing in one round

the pepperbox specifically reloads 1 bullet

[Hellfire6A]

Clint is the inhouse expert I'd go with what he says.

The PC spent two edges to get this ability. Reward him. He also has some serious inherent risks he'll have to face. Make him face them in game.

What the PC is doing is allowed and within the spirit of the game and gives the GM the chance to mess with him in other situations. Win-win.
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[catalac]

first off musketeer does not make your gun reload 1. at least not in potsm it gives you the ability to reload in one action there is a difference. why because reload 2 for black powder took rounds not actions just like regular aiming does. that means no movement so musketeer allows you to move too(although marksman takes that away). as such in a flint lock age musketeer is superior to the deadlands speed loader.
and yes although it makes no sense for the base book to be different all deadlands guns are considered to take one action to reload. in the core book reloading happens automatically.

next so you guys don't go so far off topic deadlands, evernight, and others besides the pirate setting books DO NOT COUNT as this thread is not about one of those games but a pirate game.
please stay on topic or not since the OP already got his answer.

[Clint]

[catalac]

mmm huh i knew that my search fu sucked but it looked like a recent conversation. guess i should check dates before replying to everything that catches my interests.
my apologizes for necromancy.