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[ogbendog]

I'm doing my second chase in my game, where the NPCs are melee only, and there is almost no point.

To get into melee, my sharks need to get a King or a Joker. 6 out of 54 cards. 11%.

I'm giving each shark it's own card, but even with that, I'd be surprised if the PC is attacked more than once in the entire chase.

Has anyone else ran into this? Any ideas or suggestions on how to fix?

One of my thoughts was to say, if you start close to each other, that the ranges are bumped a notch. so Jack - Joker is short / mlee, 3-10 is medium, and 2 long

[shinryu]

I have encountered this too (giant scorpions, airplane graveyard, it was complicated, ok?). On one hand this does reflect that people may not actually get very close to one another in this sort of chase, and you'd better take a shot at ending it (like grappling) if you get a chance. I'm pretty sure you can use the Force maneuver from the Errata at any range, represent the sharks herding a foe into dangerous rocks or something like that as well.

Alternatively, since the ranges are sort of abstract anyway, you could just apply the range penalty as an abstract to hit modifier and let the sharks attack regardless.

In this specific case, are these sharks chasing swimmers or boats? If they're faster then whatever it is they should be getting at least +2 to +4 to their Agility or Swimming rolls, so they should be getting more cards. That in conjunction with the Force maneuvers could be useful if you're creative about it.

[ogbendog]

in this instance, they are chasing a swimmer, but it's a doreen from 50F, so speed isn't a factor.

but in general, say the classic of a cop chasing a criminal, the odds of getting close enough to tackle him like they always show on movies or TV is pretty darn slim.

I could see the Force working. clearly I need to download a new PDF

[shinryu]

[ogbendog]

that's good, because i can't login to the pinnacle webstore, which I'm pretty sure is where I bought it

[Thunderforge]

I think that this was one thing that the SWEX version of the chase rules did better. In that one, you had to make a choice each round about how much you wanted to push yourself to get to your target, which seems to be better for a chase where you're trying to close the melee gap. With SWD, you're always rolling the same Agility roll every round until you happen to get the lucky cards to get you in range.
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[ghostman]

You are right, melee chases are very low action. When we had one, the abstractness was lost. The common thought was that if they cann attack, then it is no longer a chase, they were close enough to be caught.

The chase rules are abstract and built for cars and guns, and work really well for vehicles.

In our case we had dogs chasing humans, and it was difficult to convince most of the players (and GM) that even if they can attack, they weren't caught.

Savage Worlds is great for abstracting action with chases and mass combat, but some folks just won't 'get' it.
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[Clint]

If you want foot (fin?) chases to include more combat, it's as simple as changing the Range column to something like...

Position
Two - Impossible position. The enemy is out of range or blocked and no attack is possible this round

3-10 - Bad position. Attacks suffer a -4 penalty (This could be Long Range, Heavy Cover, a situational penalty, or some combination)

Jack—Queen - Better position. Attacks suffer a -2 penalty (This could be Medium Range, Medium Cover, a situational penalty, or some combination)

King—Joker - Best position. Attacks suffer no penalty
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[TheLoremaster]

[Thunderforge]

I like Clint's version, it should be the one that's in Deluxe! Having a description of possible reasons for modifiers (e.g. Long Range OR Heavy Cover) makes more sense than always having a range.

I wonder if it would be problematic if some people are in melee and others are ranged, but it's a step in the right direction.
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[ogbendog]

I could see doing that if you start close, or ranged combat is impossible

I would like to give some advantage to those smart enough to bring a gun to chase a guy with only a sword.

But the Force maneuver might cover that

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[shinryu]

[ValhallaGH]

Disclaimer: referencing SWD.
1) No, they do not. This one is explicitly in the chase section.

2) Chase rounds are not previously defined. They might be six seconds, they might be six hours. It depends upon the chase. However, combat-type chases are generally in the six to sixty seconds per round range.
For the question, missiles is missiles.

3) You answered this one yourself. Though do note that the Vehicle Maneuvers are for the vehicle combat rules, not the Chase rules.
I've allowed gunners to make Tricks via "suppressive fire". Sometimes these were Smarts tricks, other times Agility, and once I let them make it a Shooting trick (versus piloting, as I recall).
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