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troven · Novice Joined: 19 Dec 2011 Posts: 4

I renember reading you can use the 25 points for vet to increase the die type for traits, is this true? if so whats the cost? (I don't have my coppy anymore.) and do you get a free trait incease too? srry for grammar my phone sucks.

ValhallaGH · Legendary Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 4479

For games using the Classic rules:
1) You can use the points from any Veteran edge to raise traits. They are usually not enough, though. Wink

2) Raising traits for a veteran of the Weird West costs the new die type in points (still have to buy the steps). So taking Deftness from d6 to d10 would cost 8 (d8 ) + 10 (d10) = 18 of the 25 points. Raising the coordination has the same cost (2dx to 4dx will cost 7 points, 3 for 3dx and 4 for 4dx).
3) The only "free" increases are 3 Grit. And the veteran table can be crippling. Good luck, amigo. Twisted Evil

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JackJWells · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject:

25? I remember it being 15, has been a while though

Your money is best spent in Knowledge skills or back up skills that people may forget about, like swimming..oh god the number of people dying from falling into a river lol or throwing (rocks can still hurt and one day you might find tnt or a grenade)

ValhallaGH · Legendary Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 4479

JackJWells · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:30 am Post subject:

I remember that now, I think I misread that, the table was nasty indeed

nerovipus · Novice Joined: 15 Dec 2011 Posts: 19

vet. of the weird is cool the only pain is that pesky "what what whaaat!!"
chart you roll on but a templar with a fightin' of 8. Surprised

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WilyQuixote · Novice Joined: 07 Feb 2009 Posts: 93

Pushover-chip-giver Marshal has nothing to do with it. What ValhallaGH is talking about is possible (and legal) for a starting PC right out of the gate. Its all in the Wasted Warriors supplement.

ScooterinAB · Seasoned Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 480

I've never connected the dots myself, but ya. You could make an ex soldier Templar with fightin' 10. It's gross. But you probably wouldn't have any oher skills. My first character was a Templar with super soldier. He could basically only kill things well.
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UndeadParrot · Novice Joined: 30 May 2012 Posts: 27

Don't know if this is still an issue, but anyhow...

ValhallaGH · Legendary Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 4479

UndeadParrot · Novice Joined: 30 May 2012 Posts: 27

Whoops, my bad. Embarassed

You're absolutely right, ValhallaGH. While I did read the whole thread, it simply didn't occur to me that they might have changed the cost calculations for raising traits and coordinations, even for such a significant Edge.

Sorry about stating you were not right in the first place. Next time I'll try some research before trying to contribute Sad

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ValhallaGH · Legendary Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Posts: 4479

Mr. Wilson · Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:30 am Post subject:

Speaking of Vet o' the Weird West, how harshly do you punish your players for taking it?

Personally, I hate hosing character concepts before the game has even started. I'll redraw Mysterious Backgrounds, Mutations, and regular VoTWastedW draws until I find something appropriate.

I mean, what's the point (and fun) of spending an hour (or longer) making a character only to have random chance at the very end destroy the character concept?

Now, we turn our attention to Weird West vets. On one hand, 25 freebies (plus the generous ability to up dietypes cheaply) is pretty strong. On the other hand, Project Democles (sp?) soldiers end up with an absurd amount of bonus points as well, even taking the auto-hindrances that come with it.

I've only had two players take it and they both drew favorable draws (books not in front of me, but one was the Red Joker and one was an Ace, maybe?), so I didn't really have to crush them for it. Do you let draws fall as they may, or do you soften the blow?

I think I'm a softie in char-gen. In game, well, TPK's in HoE aren't uncommon endings for campaigns.
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UndeadParrot · Novice Joined: 30 May 2012 Posts: 27

Fists-of-Dorn · Novice Joined: 28 Nov 2010 Posts: 81

I am generally in the camp of "Don't cripple the character concept at generation." I once had a player draw the Black Joker for his Soldier Background, which oddly enough just didn't fit the character description at all- no secret squirrel stuff, no super-soldier serum anywhere in the character's background, and so on. In that instance I merely had him draw again, which resulted in an addiction to alcohol which fit his hard-drinking soldier to a "T".

I have also had players make Mysterious Past/ Arcane Happenin's/ Veteran draws, but not start with them applied to the character. Rather I developed them in play, which is a fun way to stick to the draw without immediately crippling the concept; the player has time to get attached to the character and is more likely to want to grow through the adversity instead of getting peeved with the generation process.

As to the many horrible maiming, blinding, deafening, speech-impairing draws that exist across the different tables, I also look to these as not too permanent. If the player has a good and interesting history which incorporates the affliction as part of a curse, or some such, then I would be amenable to the character being able to eventually work his way out of it. Generally speaking as a long and involved personal quest of sorts. Perhaps a witch cursed the poor sod back in 1894 and here in 2094 he learns the hag is still alive and in the Ouachita swamps of Arkansas (Pirate Kansas as some have called it). Now this harrowed gunslinger decides he is going to go get some revenge and along the way discovers that the witch can actually undo the curse; now he has to either apologize and make amends to her or trick her- either way he's probably going to blast her into the afterlife, but she may not pick up on that. If she does, then the Marshal has a fun distraction for that particular hero in upcoming adventures.

-Fists.

catalac · Seasoned Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 247

well i'm no classic expert, but what i've always done is pick the result that goes with their history. for example a character that had watched every one important to her be bloodily murdered in the most terrifying fashion including the kids she was charged to protect then having the shape shifting demons who did the murder imitate the dead children as they came to kill her. she got the bad dream hindrance.
and then there was the ex texas ranger who was retired after getting losing his unit to the black regiment. he got the lame hindrance to show the injuries that he took to get sent home.
now these may be reloaded examples but i'm sure they will still help a bit.