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[extrakun]

Looking through the SW rulebook, I realize that Strength influences:

• Melee damage
  
• The climb skill
  
• Carrying capacity
  
• Armor requirements
  
• Weapon requirements

Is there anything else I am missing?

[amerigoV]

Entangle/Grapple (although Agility can be used as well).
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[shinryu]

Depends a lot on character concept and genre, really. I'd say it's kind of a dump stat relative to the others except maybe Spirit, for sure, but if you're in a low-tech setting or you're playing the machinegunner or a melee combatant, well, go Strength! But very few characters ever need a Strength D10 or better, whereas anything else D10 seems pretty useful.

One interesting idea (as with many such interesting ideas, GURPS gets there first, again) would be to base Toughness off of Strength rather than Vigor. There's a little bit of this with the Brawny Edge. I think for most characters this might rebalance things nicely. As it is, people with very high Vigor are both harder to hurt and more likely to Soak it when they are hurt; here, you can be less likely to be hurt or more likely to Soak off different attributes, which to my eye is a tad more balanced.

I can see where there might be a problem with Large creatures, but actually I'm not so sure it would be too bad; just chop the size bonus off of Strength, divide by two, re-add size bonus. e.g. dragon:

Now: 20 (4) Vigor D12, Size 8

This: Str D12+9 - 8 steps for Size is (D12 + 1)/2, round down, 6+2+8 for size + armor = 20+4

So probably within a point or two, either way. Could be worth a try.

[Sean-Khan]

Push/shield bash, and various stunts or stunt-like effects from terrain.
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[jpk]

Just out of curiosity, what else would you want Strength to influence?

[newForumNewName]

Strength sure is a dump stat, if you don't mind having bad:

• Melee damage
  
• The climb skill
  
• Carrying capacity
  
• Armor requirements
  
• Weapon requirements

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[longarms]

Review the bash maneuver, and you will see that high STR enables you to basically melee attack without regard to parry.

So, along with everything else in this thread, high STR now gives the PC a tool in his tool box to kill/shake even high parry opponents.

[canology]

I know I am going to regret bringing this up, but...

If you Bash someone and succeed in knocking them back, do you or any allies get a free attack on the defender since they are leaving melee?

[jpk]

[77IM]

In a fantasy setting, note that armor weighs a LOT. So if you want it, you can't dump Strength. Weapon's aren't exactly light, either.

In a modern setting, with guns, you can dump Strength. Unless you want the really big guns, which deal a lot more damage, but are pretty heavy. Still, it's easier to get by with a mediocre Strength, and and you get less benefit from a huge Strength, in a setting with guns.

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[extrakun]

Perhaps it seems that there are so many skills that are agility-based (example, some of my players were expecting Fighting to be Agility), and while Strength is a prerequisite for many feats, Agility seems to be the stat to invest in for an effective fighter.

(Yep, we used to play a lot of D20-influenced games).

[Sean-Khan]

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[jpk]

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