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Angry Ghost
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 Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:39 am Post subject: is there a Combat Flowchart for Deluxe? |
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| pretty much the title really, has anyone made one as a game aid? - I know there's a explorer one floating about. |
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chillburn
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Is combat that different from SWEX? |
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BluSponge
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Why do you need a flowchart??
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Angry Ghost
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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an updated flow chart of combat with the change to shaken rules would benefit my ever rotating player group.
I feel like I've asked something bad here... |
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Clint
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Angry Ghost wrote: | an updated flow chart of combat with the change to shaken rules would benefit my ever rotating player group.
I feel like I've asked something bad here... |
Not bad, just not something most use I think. Plus, I think chillburn is correct. I looked at the flowchart posted here...
http://www.peginc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=325991#325991
And the only effect SWD would have on it is the page number listed for Incapacitation, moving to page 68 or 77 (SWD or SWDEX). Flowcharts tend to follow the process, not the effects, and the process has hardly changed over the years.
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The GIT!
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How the hell did I miss this? Admittedly it's not something I or most of my group would need but, for those learning the system, it could prove useful.
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| The GIT! wrote: |
How the hell did I miss this? Admittedly it's not something I or most of my group would need but, for those learning the system, it could prove useful. |
The thing that really threw me off was that it has you roll all the dice and then look at range. If the range is close and you are using a larger ranged weapon, then there was no reason to roll in the first place. I'd place determining situational considerations and modifiers as the first step before the dice are rolled.
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Actually, though I have a pretty good grasp of SW's crunch and a technical background, that chart did give me the heebie-jeebies.
I think if you flopped that down in front of a RPG newbie they would run screaming from the room. It looks complex. 
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| agree. I look at that and think SW combat is complicated. |
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Lysander
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For more crunch....
Add a loop for Called Shots, Wild Attacks, The Drop, Cover, etc...
Also, a loop for 'Do you want to spend a bennie and reroll you attack(s)?'
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| Angry Ghost wrote: | | an updated flow chart of combat with the change to shaken rules would benefit my ever rotating player group. |
I wasn't aware that there was a change to the Shaken rules in SWD/SWDEE. Could someone fill me in?
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| fanchergw wrote: | I wasn't aware that there was a change to the Shaken rules in SWD/SWDEE. Could someone fill me in?
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I think the only thing that changes is that your Pace does not get halved anymore. |
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In SWD, while shaken you can perform free actions: e.g. moving up to your full pace, speaking a short sentence, falling prone.
In SWEX you could only move half pace and "perform no other actions", which does not exclude speaking, dropping prone etc. but it was not explicitly stated.
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