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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:09 pm    Post subject: A10 warthog Reply with quote

Has anyone stated up an A-10 Warthog.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

make sure you include a Vulnerability to bureaucracy...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the pilot would get a Charisma penalty when dealing with other Air Force pilots and a bonus when dealing with Army infantry.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please be serious! The A-10 is simply the best Aircraft out there. It may not do mach 2, but anything that can do Mach 2 can't do a 10th of what the 10 can.

There is a reason they are called the double ugly warthogs, but I would rather have a squadron of them to anything else out there.

I just do not know how to stat one up in the rules. So can someone help or are you just going to crack wise like a batch of inbred air farce apes?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Savage Worlds Web Tools and got this:
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Warthog

Heavy Vehicle: Size 6, Acc/TS 47/594 (1425 mph, 2294 kph), Climb 3, Toughness 27 (11), Cost $5.956M
Mods Available: 0
Notes: Aircraft, Jet Plane, Armor x3, Climb, Crew Reduction x2, Handling, Missile Launcher, Reinforced Chassis, Sensor Suite, Speed Reduction x3, Stealth System, Targeting System,
Weapons: Anti-Tank Missile x24, Anti-Tank Missile (fixed - port) x24, Anti-Tank Missile (fixed - starboard) x24, Block Buster Bomb (fixed - port) x4, Block Buster Bomb (fixed - starboard) x4, Heavy Autocannon (fixed - bow),


It goes too fast and I am not sure if I have the armor or weapons right.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ogbendog wrote:
make sure you include a Vulnerability to bureaucracy...


lol, spot on.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero Mostel wrote:
Please be serious! The A-10 is simply the best Aircraft out there.


I disagree. It is a very good aircraft for the purpose it is meant to serve (Close Air Support), but isn't good for a lot of other missions (Air Superiority, Air Defense Supression, Long-range strikes, Quick Strikes, etc...) which is why militaries tend to have many different aircraft or vehicles to call upon.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero Mostel wrote:
Please be serious!


Sorry about that.

Cryonic wrote:
I disagree. It is a very good aircraft for the purpose it is meant to serve (Close Air Support), but isn't good for a lot of other missions (Air Superiority, Air Defense Suppression, Long-range strikes, Quick Strikes, etc...) which is why militaries tend to have many different aircraft or vehicles to call upon.


Though to be fair, close air support has become more important as conflicts continue to become increasingly ground based. It part of what makes the drive to get the Warthog scrapped without putting any effort into designing a suitable replacement so bizarre.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please don't let this forum turn into one where it is deemed acceptable to take sensible posts off-topic. I note that no-one yet has even tried to answer the initial posts request Neutral
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wibbs wrote:
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Actually, someone did post a stat block.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yah, the original poster
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero Mostel wrote:
I used Savage Worlds Web Tools and got this:
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Warthog

Heavy Vehicle: Size 6, Acc/TS 47/594 (1425 mph, 2294 kph), Climb 3, Toughness 27 (11), Cost $5.956M
Mods Available: 0
Notes: Aircraft, Jet Plane, Armor x3, Climb, Crew Reduction x2, Handling, Missile Launcher, Reinforced Chassis, Sensor Suite, Speed Reduction x3, Stealth System, Targeting System,
Weapons: Anti-Tank Missile x24, Anti-Tank Missile (fixed - port) x24, Anti-Tank Missile (fixed - starboard) x24, Block Buster Bomb (fixed - port) x4, Block Buster Bomb (fixed - starboard) x4, Heavy Autocannon (fixed - bow),


It goes too fast and I am not sure if I have the armor or weapons right.


Yeah that's definitely a Sci-Fi/Very High tech version of a real-plane (and to be honest an old one at that). The Science Fiction companion is great for story telling modeling but not real-world simulation. Savage Worlds does some really freakin' awesome things, but simulation of "real life" is not really one of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wibbs wrote:
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You've never seen any of Von Dan's post have you?
Anyhoo - I'm not going to look at the other one posted here just yet so it won't influence my design.

The A10 has two main components, the plane itself and its armament.
Using the Harrier and the Huey as speed benchmarks, and assuming that the A10 has an acceleration more akin to the Huey, we get 15/120 for Acc/TS.
Normally I'd say give it the same toughness as the fighter planes, but because of the placement of the engines, I'd raise its Toughness to 17 (4)
Crew is 1, Cost is Military
It probably can't climb as fast as a Mustang, but probably faster than a helicopter, so Climb 1

As to armament:
The 30mm chaingun uses the 30mm Cannon stats, but you could boost the RoF by one to 4 if you want.

AGM-65B/C air-to surface missiles
For these, I'm spitballing here, but I'd say
100/200/400 5d8 damage, ROF 2, AP 100, MBT, HW

4 Sidewinder missiles per the core book

42 70-mm rockets
For these I'd use the FFAR/Hydra 70 Rocket Pods from Modern Ops
75/150/300 4d6+1 LBT; AP 30; HW (I changed 2xMBT to LBT)

There you go. I didn't address any targeing improvements, etc. since they are bundled into the really high short ranges of the weapons.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's where I got my info: http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/a10_thunderbolt_2.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A10 Warthog

Climb 2
Acc/Top Speed 30/300
Toughness 18(4), 21(7) around pilot

Using the SWDEX and my handy Vehicle Conversion Toolkit, I got that.
I added +2 to Toughness given the redundant systems that make the A10 a flying beast.
The 30mm cannon is listed in the SWDEX.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinzent wrote:
Acc/Top Speed 110/330


The space shuttle in SWD is listed as having an Acc of 70, so isn't that a tad high?

Also, I took the maximum speeds of the two 'reference' vehicles to get a 0.169 scaling factor (the ratio of SW speed to max speed in km/h came out to 0.1678 and 0.169) so at 706 km/h we get 119, rounded to 120.

EDIT: Post corrected above.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh, you're right! When working with Aircraft conversions you want the corner speed, not the maximum speed.

The only info I could find on the a10's corner speed is a post where someone mentioned 300 kmh.

Given the examples I'd put it at about 30 for Acc. I'll correct my original post.

Also, it seems my speed conversion says 1.5 when it ought to say 1.6. I wonder who I need to talk to about updating that document?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I don't know why the space shuttle is even listed. It doesn't take off from a runway, the only time it "takes off" is when it is a rocket.

Still, if compared to an F-15 which has 50/700, it has more than twice the acceleration.

Maybe real world numbers were nerfed to make it more reasonable for a game.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, OK. 30 sounds better!



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I never use ACC. I add in Handling.
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