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Mylon
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 Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: It's time to evangelize! |
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If you haven't heard it yet, Wizards of the Coast has announced they're developing 5th edition D&D. 3rd edition pissed a bunch of people off and 4th alienated their 3rd edition crowd. I suspect 5th may do the same. This will be a great opportunity to snatch up former D&D players and bring them to the Savage Side.
You may want to ramp up your marketing and perhaps polish up your dungeon fantasy materials so you can lure them up and make a good bit of cash for yourselves. I want to see you guys succeed.  |
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I am just very glad that when they do updates to the Savage Worlds core book, it doesn't make all the rest of the stuff useless.
I am also happy that the characters can be very detailed while not needing a 'character builder' program to understand how to make them.
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Evangelize means to convert someone to Christianity, specifically. Proselytize means to convert someone to your faith, whatever that is. Not that it's a bad idea, just want to make sure you're saying what you mean.
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| newForumNewName wrote: | | Evangelize means to convert someone to Christianity, specifically. Proselytize means to convert someone to your faith, whatever that is. Not that it's a bad idea, just want to make sure you're saying what you mean. |
Well if we are being precise today
evangelize, evangelise [ɪˈvændʒɪˌlaɪz] vb
1. (Christianity / Protestantism) to preach the Christian gospel or a particular interpretation of it (to)
2. (intr) to advocate a cause with the object of making converts
evangelization , evangelisation n
evangelizer , evangeliser n
I think it there would be more rejoicing in heaven [Luke 15:7] if we play lots of games with young players and bring them into the hobby. Converts from not-gaming to gaming are much more important than shifting people around inside the hobby.
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Meh...I don't even bother trying anymore. D&D 4e is a jugernaut driven by an 800 lb gorrila. Just about every LGS in my city runs a 4e table at least every other weekend. I figure it gets RPG'ers in the door and occassionally they'll browse the shelves, and hopefully have their cereberal incadescent blink on and have the sense to checkout the quality PnP's like SW.
I've yet to meet a LGS owner who wouldn't admit that if D&D was debuted today it'd be a major flop. Of course the 800lb Pathfinder gorrilla running to catch up with the 4e jugernaut does challenge that argument. |
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Sounds like the right time to release a revised version of Evernight and perhaps Evernight 2.
The campaign and story is great. OK it's too much railroading, but that could be fixed easily. |
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Cutter XXIII
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It's nice to introduce people to Savage Worlds (wait, I take that back, it's excellent), but let me reiterate:
There is no "D&D vs. Savage Worlds." There are no sides.
A rising tide floats all boats. And as Wizards goes, to some extent, we all go. I wish them success.
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AFDia
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| Cutter XXIII wrote: | It's nice to introduce people to Savage Worlds (wait, I take that back, it's excellent), but let me reiterate:
There is no "D&D vs. Savage Worlds." There are no sides.
A rising tide floats all boats. And as Wizards goes, to some extent, we all go. I wish them success. |
Ok let me rephrase: I want a revised Evernight edition and Evernight 2  |
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GURPS did a bunch of dungeon crawl pdfs, making it easier to run their game as a killin' and lootin' game.
SW did the Wizards and Warriors free pdf, some free fantasy adventures, and has Evernight, Fantasy Companion, Fantasy Toolkits, as well as 3rd party stuff.
Right now, Pathfinder is doing their annual contest, where anyone can submit ideas for magic items, villains, etc, the final winner gets a contract for a module. WOTC did something similar for a new setting.
but both of them basically only do fantasy, Peg does a core system.
But I could see PEG doing something like that, they had the relic submission thing for Deadlands.
Or maybe the guys as the savagewiki could sponsor a contest. The winner get's posted on Peg's download page
Or the guys for Shaintar could run a contest. |
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All the ex-DnDers?
or all the idea's above? |
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Mylon
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Actually, is what I meant to say is WotC is about to piss off a huge chunk of their fan base. Get the word out so this disenfranchised playerbase of D&D 4th edition hears about Savage Worlds.
Pathfinder did exactly this by picking up the D&D 3.5 crowd. |
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| AFDia wrote: | | Ok let me rephrase: I want a revised Evernight edition and Evernight 2 |
Touche! 
| Mylon wrote: | Actually, is what I meant to say is WotC is about to piss off a huge chunk of their fan base. Get the word out so this disenfranchised playerbase of D&D 4th edition hears about Savage Worlds.
Pathfinder did exactly this by picking up the D&D 3.5 crowd. |
I understood that, but I don't think most people play either/or exclusively. Most of the gamers I've known have played a variety of games from different companies.
I think we tend to sell Savage Worlds on its own merits, rather than on the putative failings of other games. Accentuating the positive and all that.
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Mylon
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| Cutter XXIII wrote: | | I think we tend to sell Savage Worlds on its own merits, rather than on the putative failings of other games. Accentuating the positive and all that. |
As much as I would love to believe this works, it doesn't. Marketing and advertisement is a huge sector of the economy. If good cars sell themselves, they wouldn't be spending a few hundred million dollars on super bowl ads. When 5th edition comes out, people will be paying more attention to alternatives. 5th will likely look as alien to them as 4th was to me as a former 3rd player. Learning 5th will require time and money, while learning SW will require less of both! Remind them they have the option. |
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I assume most of us played DnD at least once.
our tabletop group broke up before 4e came out. we just got back together, and it looks like they want to play 4e, mostly because a lot of us have the books, and want to finally use them
I plan on doing a SW game once that one's over with. |
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| Mylon wrote: | | Cutter XXIII wrote: | | I think we tend to sell Savage Worlds on its own merits, rather than on the putative failings of other games. Accentuating the positive and all that. |
As much as I would love to believe this works, it doesn't. |
And yet we've sold 40,000+ copies of Savage Worlds. We must be doing something right. 
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| Cutter XXIII wrote: |
I think we tend to sell Savage Worlds on its own merits, rather than on the putative failings of other games. Accentuating the positive and all that. |
That said, I did become a Savage early in the 4e days. It was not that I hated 4e or anything, but the Making of Savage Worlds pdf really "spoke" to me and convinced me to give it a try. Having a nice package for people to push at MeetUps, Cons, and such is not a bad idea
(the Wild Hunt (need SWD updates), test drive rules and the Making of is an excellent start).
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| Mylon wrote: | | Pathfinder did exactly this by picking up the D&D 3.5 crowd. |
Paizo had the benefit of capitalizing on official D&D content and building a fan base prior to their license not being renewed. They simply then offered an option to keep playing D&D v3.5 slightly revised. The transition from D&D v3.5 to Pathfinder is minimal.
Do you think Paizo would have been as successful if they never had the D&D license to begin with, and do you think they'd get as much of a fan base if they created a completely different RPG system rather than simply tweak the D20 System?
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| Mylon wrote: | | As much as I would love to believe this works, it doesn't. Marketing and advertisement is a huge sector of the economy. If good cars sell themselves, they wouldn't be spending a few hundred million dollars on super bowl ads. When 5th edition comes out, people will be paying more attention to alternatives. 5th will likely look as alien to them as 4th was to me as a former 3rd player. Learning 5th will require time and money, while learning SW will require less of both! Remind them they have the option. |
Wha? Coming from a marketing background with a bit of knowledge of how these things work, I'm going to be polite and say you are a bit misinformed.
And actually, if the past two instances are any indication, the year 5th edition is released will be one of the WORST times to release anything that is directly in competition with it. WotC's marketing machine tends to suck a lot of the oxygen out of the room (and money out of the market – for a few months, anyway).
But Pinnacle has been to this rodeo twice now. I trust they know how to handle it a lot better than I do.
Tom
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