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77IM · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject:

One minor issue I'd like to see changed: The darkness penalty for pitch blackness is -4, but for blindness or the obscure power it's -6. It confuses me how there can be obscurement penalties worse than pitch blackness? I guess the obscure power is arcane so maybe it's extra confusing or something, but what about blindness? If anything, wouldn't the blind character have less of a vision penalty than an ordinarily sighted person who is momentarily in pitch blackness, since the blind person is accustomed to not seeing?

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cpk666 · Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:15 am Post subject:

I'd like to see the Area Effect Attacks section explicitly state that area effect attacks ignore armor that does not provide full coverage. Yes, I know that is implied by the rules, but if it was clear, then why was it necessary to note it for flamethrowers? And that also is an inconsistency, since no other area effect weapon gets that note.

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77IM · Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:24 pm Post subject:

Pariah74 · Veteran Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 934

I don't know that there is such a thing as absolute darkness, except in an extreme circumstance that the rules don't need to account for.
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77IM · Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject:

It does come up from time to time when the party is exploring a dungeon deep underground and the torch goes out. But the main value of such a rule would be to clarify what the -4 level of darkness means, and how it differs from regular "pitch darkness."

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xxlgeeklord · Seasoned Joined: 21 Nov 2011 Posts: 249

This is just my two cents, but...
The difference between -4 darkness and -6 darkness is that in -4 darkness you know where your aiming, you see the faint outline of the target, or you can hear it. In -6 darkness you can't. It's actually the same level of darkness, but if you know where to aim its -4, and else -6.
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Timon · Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:54 pm Post subject:

I must admit that when I was in a cave and the guide put the lights out it seemed darker than I had ever experienced before, like being encased in obsidian.
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kreider204 · Heroic Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 1712

Adding the Guts skill to the Setting Rules section would be helpful for backward compatibility with older settings.
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AFDia · Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject:

2 more requests concerning darkness/illumination Wink

1.) The -6 penalty (and the visual differences to -4) could be mentioned under the "Illumination" section.

2.) I would move "cover" and "illumination"/"darkness" rules out of the "ranged attack" section. They were better placed under "Special rules" like in SWEX.
Another advantage would be that some tables could also reference/use these rules.
Eg: Stealth would not need a +x for cover and darkness (because the Notice roll would get -x) and Tracking could reference those tables too (instead of explicitly listing "poor light")