Great White Games/Pinnacle Entertainment Group

[Templar]

Ok, I was reading through the rules for Junker armor and had a bit of a quandary. I noticed that with a raise I could either increase the level of the armor by 1, using a number of slots equal to the frame size (probably far less than what I would normally use) or I could reduce the number of slots used by 10%.

My question goes like this, if I make some armor and get say 8 raises (don't ask how) could I raise the armor by 5 levels then reduce the total number of slots by 30%? Does the reduction only apply to the 'normal' armor slot amounts IE those that aren't from a raise? I just wonder because a player has a junker with the armor power and after a rather messy car crash-flip-slam into wall-Automaton Ambush is considering making more body armor.

[Jack_Spade]

With 8 raises you could increase the armour by 5 and then reduce the total slot-usage by 30%, yes.


However, creating a full body suit for a size 6 character requires about 64 slots (based on the armour example in Junkman Cometh pg. 70), so the minimum frame you'd be working with is frame 5, or 86 slots.

The basic AV 1 to start uses 8.6 slots, and each additional AV takes up 5 slots (frame 5) when adding using the raises method. You only have 22 slots to work with (as you need 64 for person-space).

8.6+25 = 33.6 slots, putting you over by 11.6 slots. A 30% reduction only gives you 23.52 slots, putting you over by 1.52 slots still.

You could only do 4 raises to armour, and would need to take the 40% slot reduction for a total of 20.02 slots used (leaving you with 1.98 left).

AND the whole things still weighs a little more than 40Lbs.

[ValhallaGH]

But you would have AV 5 to all locations. That counts for a lot. Just ask the X-Suit (poor X-Suit and its AV 4 - enough to attract big guns, too little to survive).
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[Templar]

On a somewhat different note, if someone wanted to use it to make light armor what would you reccomend doing on that front?

[Jack_Spade]

[rungok]

What about using the Miniaturize tool trick, could that help with the number of slots as well?

Is there a power or trick that can reduce the weight of an object being made?

[Templar]

[ScooterinAB]

In the same vain as weapons and vehicles, I would say that you cannot miniaturize armor. You would either decrease the deadspace (and make it very tight) or directly impact the protectiveness of it.
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[Templar]

[ScooterinAB]

I would disagree. A high construction roll implies that you made it better in the first place (or summoned a better tech spirit), while miniaturize just makes it smaller. I would see the locomotion example as a stronger precedent than the ill-worded reference in the power.

It should be noted that the book says that a raise reduces the number of slots needed to mount it, not the number of slots it takes up. I'm not exactly sure what this means, but it could be referring to vehicles (load points?) rather than a human wearer. I'd have to look through some other material to verify this though.
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