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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:11 am    Post subject: When Do You Shuffle? Reply with quote

Other than dealing a Joker, when do you guys re-shuffle the deck? After every encounter? Or do you actually wait until a Joker is dealt (regardless of how many encounters have passed).

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have two decks on hand at all times and always wait until a Joker is dealt to re-shuffle.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Inar wrote:
We have two decks on hand at all times and always wait until a Joker is dealt to re-shuffle.


What he said.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never shuffle. That is what players are for.

But they shuffle after Jokers only, whenever they may come up, whether in initiative or in some other aspect of the game.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't reshuffle until a Joker is drawn.
Admittedly, as I use the deck for determining other random things, this skews probability a little. Determining the personality of a random minor NPC, for example, using the deck might make it more likely that a joker be drawn (as it would reduce the remaining number of cards in the deck).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here. Even if I'm flipping cards for other reasons, it's only a Joker triggers a shuffle.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait; does this mean that you all only shuffle after Jokers? I've always shuffled after Jokers and after each encounter. Is that right?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only after Jokers for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our GM has us trained that we players shuffle the two decks during pre-game set up, and as soon as a Joker round is over he hands the deck to one of us and picks up the other one to keep things moving.

It's an efficient system, and we are well trained. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I should include my reasoning for shuffling only after a Joker is dealt.

Basically, if you shuffle after every encounter, rather than waiting for the Joker, you reduce the chances a Joker will come up. Considering there are multiple Edges which rely on Jokers coming out, this seems like a bum deal for players who took the Edges. Those Edges don't get enough use as it is.

Plus, when a Joker comes out, it usually provokes a reaction from the players, and this is always Good Stuff (TM).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, wow. I've been doing it completely wrong, then. Embarassed

I've always done a quick reshuffle after every round of combat.

No wonder I've hardly ever had a Joker pop up.

I like they idea of using two decks, though. Think I'll give that a shot- along with only shuffling after a Joker...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArmoryDave wrote:
Our GM has us trained...


Trained??? How do you go about training Players?!? I can't get my players to stop "boffing" each other with miscellianious items! I had to take a map away from one the other day. My dog is better trained then that bunch...

ArmoryDave wrote:
...that we players shuffle the two decks during pre-game set up, and as soon as a Joker round is over he hands the deck to one of us and picks up the other one to keep things moving.


Once I can get the training thing down I'll have to do this.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Skudley wrote:
ArmoryDave wrote:
Our GM has us trained...


Trained??? How do you go about training Players?!? I can't get my players to stop "boffing" each other with miscellianious items! I had to take a map away from one the other day. My dog is better trained then that bunch...

ArmoryDave wrote:
...that we players shuffle the two decks during pre-game set up, and as soon as a Joker round is over he hands the deck to one of us and picks up the other one to keep things moving.


Once I can get the training thing down I'll have to do this.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I constantly shuffle. I love playing with cards. Even between rounds I'll shuffle the cards that haven't been drawn yet often times. I'll shuffle the discards back in when a Joker is drawn and between combats.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Skudley wrote:
ArmoryDave wrote:
Our GM has us trained...

Trained??? How do you go about training Players?!?

Just rub their nose in it... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shuffle after a Joker only if I'm at least 1/2 way through the deck.

Recently I pulled a Joker for the Baddies and on the following round one of the PCs drew a Joker, then I shuffled.

Works for us.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only shuffle after a joker for the players. Shuffling more often would reduce the chances of a joker showing up. I used to give the players their own deck to shuffle, but that took too long for my tastes. In the interests of speeding things up, I switched to just having ONE deck of cards, on MY side of the table.

I put cards out in front of me for each of the players (and for the bad guys, of course), and when the joker comes up, I can give the deck a quick and sloppy shuffle and move on with it. I don't really care if it's "properly" shuffled; all that really matters is that neither I nor anyone else knows what card is going to come up next.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Skudley wrote:
Trained??? How do you go about training Players?!?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We shuffle the round after a joker has been drawn and I always shuffle during set-up. Every once in a while we still have shuffles that destroy the laws of statistics...during one of our last runs we had five jokers drawn in three rounds. During a fight with a wild card.

Yeah. That was awesome!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Longhorn wrote:
I've always done a quick reshuffle after every round of combat.


On the up side, this is how it's handled in Showdown (the free miniatures version of Savage Worlds).

So if someone was giving you a hard time tell them you'll switch back to the rpg way of doing it instead of the minis way. Very Happy
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