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[bigsteveuk]

Hi,

I have just started reading the book Nightside, by Simon R Green and it just seem's like a brillant twist to Hardboiled.

Blurb...
It’s always night in the Nightside. It’s always three o’clock in the morning, and the dawn never comes. People are always coming and going, drawn by needs that dare not speak their names, searching for pleasures and services unforgivable in the sane, daylight world. You can buy or sell anything in the Nightside, and no one asks questions. No one cares.

If nothing else it could give you some good ideas and is written in a suitable Noir style.

BigSteveUK

[jpk]

You know, I think you're right. The Nightside books probably could really make for good gaming and do seem to be along the lines of what Hardboiled sounds like it'll be.

I just got tired of being hit over the head with "here on the Nightside," "you know it's the Nightside," and "did I say Nightside within the last thirty words?" I had to stop.

[jeff]

For the folks just tuning in, it's the Nightside. Just in case you missed it, it's the Nightside.
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[Arbor_Productions]

Since right now Mike Dukes is handling most production on Hardboiled with one team, while I handle Dawn of Legends with a different team (with his help on certain SW/new powers rules sections), I sent this thread to him to visit after college today.
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[bloodshadows]

The Nightside...

I've never heard of that one but you've peaked my interest. I'm still at school right now but I'll be stopping by the local bookstore as soon as I'm done here to buy it and give it a read.

One can never have too much Hardboiled goodness.
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[bloodshadows]

Well, I went to the Books-A-Million here in town. All of their books are alphabetized by author and I had no idea who the author was. Sadly, the guy at the computer there failed his Investigation roll when I asked him to look up The Nightside. So, I am bookless.

For those that have read the series, who is the author?
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[Charles Phipps]

I believe its Simon R. Green

[Arbor_Productions]

Simon R. Green, the author of the Deathstalker series we discussed recently on Yahoo, Mike.

I just hope he's learned to write. In the entire Deathstalker series, he blatantly just cut-and-pastes character reactions, and entire descriptive passages, from earlier parts of the book . . . over and over again.

Likewise for his Hawk and Moon series (I believe it is called). Books 2 and 3 repeat the same, exact descriptions from Book 1.

Personally, I fail to see why he is best-selling. I suppose the same reason M&M fans love Freedom City so much?
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[bigsteveuk]

I am only reading the first book thus far, so I haven't noticed any repetition.

I just loved the setting and some of the locations, as soon as I started reading it Hardboiled came to mind.

I certainly think the first book is worth a look, well so far anyway!!

[Sitting Duck]

[Lord Abaddon of Wormwood]

Dresden IS so worth it. I have been reading them since they were released back when. Didn't like the tv series - why ruin perfectly good characters and ideas?



Lord Abaddon of Wormwood

[Charles Phipps]

[Savage Yinn]

It's a totally different media - you can try to keep it the same when the media changes, but it doesn't work in the same way.

From personal experience, if you try and turn a TV or Film into a stage play you have to change things so they are not exactly the same. In TV you can have a close up shot of an actor, this just doesn't work on stage.

Books will always* be better then the Film or TV because you can put more into a book than a hour or two and a half hour film...




*except for LotR, where the story was enhanced by the Film IMHO
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[Charles Phipps]

[Savage Yinn]

[Tuesday]

League Of Extraordinary Gentleman was a crappy movie, but it was better than the book. From Hell was a *much* better movie than the book, as was V For Vendetta.

Those are graphic novels, not regular novels - do they count?

(It gives me hope for Watchmen, really)

For actual full books where the movie was better:
The Shawshank Redemption
The Hunt For Red October
Harry Potter (the movies were kid-movie bad, but the books were unreadably bad)
The Count Of Monte Cristo
(In fact, insert EVERY Alexandre Dumas story here. The movies are mixed, but the books tend to be painful. It's a factor of the time period and the translation.)

[bloodshadows]

For Film Noir, like Hardboiled, the novels and short stories are great for the language and atmosphere they put forth. In films, it's great to see the harsh lighting and styles plus hear the sounds and music.

It's like that for most book to movie conversions. Well, it's long been said that novels translate poorly to film because the little details are often left out plus you're generally crammed into a 120 minute time frame. But, there are always exceptions.

I think the biggest problem is Hollywood big wigs who feel that audiences lack the ability to "understand" the complexities of some novels so they change things to dumb the film versions down. I've never understood that way of thinking and it annoys me to no end.

I remember they wanted to make "The Crow" a musical before they finally decided to more-or-less go with the basics of the graphic novel as a movie. A musical... idiots.
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[jpk]

Please tell me you're joking. The Crow: The Musical? Seriously?

Excuse me. I must now go wash my mind out with soap and water.

[bloodshadows]

[Arbor_Productions]