Great White Games/Pinnacle Entertainment Group

[ogbendog]

For what it's worth, I LARPed, a grand total of one time. The night before I sparred a bit with my buddy, I had a two-handed sword, he had large shield and mace, or sword, can't recall which,

I had no problem parrying. with both hands on the handle, about a foot apart, I had more than enough leverage to whip it around, way more than I would with just one hand on a smaller weapon. And with both hands, it was easier to brace against a big hit.

Of course, this was PVC padded PVC pipe, not metal, but I think the -1 might fail a reality check

[Sushi]

[ogbendog]

that -1 to parry is almost a -2. anyone else can use a shield or a spear for +1 parry

simply being a 2 handed weapon without a +1 is penalty

[Zadmar]

[wizuriel]

Why not try adding edges to give 2 handed weapons more utility?

If you have higher strength than your opponent and you miss your attack by 1 you get a free disarm attempt to disarm a single 1 handed weapon. Higher version can let you just attempt to sunder/break weapons that people try to block with.

If you hit successfully wound/shaken an opponent you get a push attempt.

Maybe some more edges that give 2h weapons AP or bonus to breaking stuff, and if your opponent isn't wearing any armour (or armour is reduced to 0) you get bonus damage?

[ogbendog]

guys with 2 weapons buy ambi, 2-wpn fighting, and Florentine.

sword and board, or 2-handed wielders buy counter attack, first strike, sweep, or frenzy; which take the slot of ambi and 2-wpn.

It would be nice to have a "Two handed wpn" style edge, a "Single won" edge, and a "Wpn and shield" edge, to correspond with Florentine.

[Zadmar]

[Lord Lance]

Quite off-topic: Zadmar, I was working on your Savage Armoury file. I decomposed the "Cover" ability for shields, to help my math hile building variuous equip.
Then just for fun I started to think about the cool Dragonslayer sword (Gatsu Style), and I came out with this one:
Dragonslayer
Damage d12, Weight 2 (maybe 30 with the standard S.W. system), Toughness 15, Light/Medium Cover, AP 2, 2handed, Exotic (-1 to attack&parry if you don't have the edge), Unsheathable, Cost 1000 $

Math: Medium Cover +3, Two-Handed (Damage) +1, High Damage +2, High Penetration +2, Very Tough +2, Heavy -1, Masterwork -2, Carried -2, Exotic -3

So we have a cool huge 2handed sword, still balanced with other Armoury equip, that need an Edge to be used in the right way. That sword is so large that you can use it as a shield, useful even while fighting versus fire-spitting dragons ^____^
Of course, you could exchange "Exotic" for "Weak Defence", giving a simple -1 parry while not needing an edge, but I think it's nice you need time and practice (then, buying the edge) to use that kind of sword at best.
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[Clint]

You know if the intent is to effectively make them the same, then why not an Edge that does just that?

Two-Handed Expertise
Requirements: Novice, Str d10+, Fighting d8+

Your character is an expert as using a two-handed weapon and is able to make a second attack with the pommel, butt, shaft, etc. of the weapon. This works exactly as if attacking with a second weapon except the character does not suffer an off-hand penalty since he is using both hands already. The damage for the second attack is two die types less than the weapon normally does to a minimum of Str+d4.

So if you want to fight with two weapons, you can take Ambidextrous and Two-Fisted or if you want to fight two-handed, you can take 2-H Expertise and Two-Fisted.

Personally, I would also add an Edge to play off the 2-H weapon's Strength as well like...

Massive Strike
Requirements: Novice, Str d10+, Vigor d8+, Fighting d8+

Your character really knows how to put his weight behind his attacks with two-handed weapons. When using such a weapon, he increases his weapon's damage die by one die type. This does not affect minimum Strength to use the weapon but does affect the second attack for Two-Handed Expertise if the character has that Edge as well.
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[shinryu]

[Clint]

[Nimblegrund]

One of the game designers for D&D next, I believe it was Jeremy Crawford, said in one of his panels at Gen Con (and I am paraphrasing) that one of the dangers of seeking the holy grail of "balance" is that balance very often morphs into symmetry... and symmetry essentially negates player choice.

So at some point, I think, you have to let the white box statistics go. They can be a useful tool, sure, but that's not really what I'm here for, anyway. There are games out there where your only concern is finding the most strategically viable build. I don't really see table-top RPG's as being that place.

[Zadmar]

[wheatiess]

the increase in effective str when held two handed has always interested me

Zadmar if possible could you run a trial of great weapon verse longsword and shield but with D8 stats across the board including the effective strength rule.
so great sword would be 2D10 -1 parry and long sword would be 2D8 +1 parry.


any actual game reports on using this effective strength rule
i think it makes great sense(realism wise) and should help to encourge barstard swords or jedi with one single saber

double ended glaive would be leathal does it get the str bonus or only if held at one end for a single attack?

[Zadmar]

[wheatiess]

Cheers Z
Is the wild attack with armour

So the one hit wild attack is where it is at for the 2 hander but that is pretty standard.

I missed an entire page of this topic grr

[Zadmar]