Great White Games/Pinnacle Entertainment Group

[ValhallaGH]

[catalac]

[Redtwin]

[ValhallaGH]

[sinisterthings]

[Mylon]

[Jonah Hex]

[ValhallaGH]

[Jonah Hex]

[Vonether]

A must have? How about any Combat Edge?

In my old group, they were so focused on getting high dice that they skipped out on getting Edges that would have made them much more capable than just "I hit!"

[catalac]

a must have combat edge? i'd say if your playing in a setting in which people us guns either marksman or rock and roll are must haves.

as for valhallagh. i suppose that would depend on your group.
surprise rounds happen when one side of the fight did not expect to get attacked at that time. even if you are enemies, if your in the middle of talking whether its trading insults or your trying to be diplomatic suddenly bursting into a fight with out warning can be startling even if to some intellectual extent you knew it was coming. people tend to freeze up in those situations. unless you are perceptive enough to note things went from peaceful to flying lead in a few seconds then you'll be slow to act.
so in these cases a notice roll at tn4 is used. surprise is not always something based on stealth but in the cases it is its an opposed roll. also ambushes can allow you to get the drop on somebody while normal surprise can't, so raises on your stealth roll vs their notice gets you the drop.
at least thats how i always imagined it. and i assume thats what the people who assumed surprise happens a lot assumed too to a certain extent.


... wow thats a lot of assumes.

[JmOz01]

In my slipstream game the following 4 skills are on every character at some level

Fighting
Shooting
Notice
Stealth

[Jonah Hex]

Is my experience that different from everyone here?

With the current Incap rules, I think that either Hard to Kill or Improved Nerves of Steel is must-have unless you enjoy creating new characters often.

Barring bennies, d6 vigour dies on the initial roll on incap about 44% of the time without one of the above and another 17%+ of going to bleeding out and dieing there in the first round. With HtK, that becomes 3% and 5.5% respectively.

To make things worse, bleeding out happens before cards so it's more difficult for someone else to stabilize the victim.

Or am I overreacting? I personally still use the SWEX rules as I am still boggled as to why they made the game so much more lethal.

[catalac]

well my bad guys needed hard to kill but otherwise no i've never had need for it especially since i rarely get through their bennies to hit them for wounds. the only time i've had problems with this was when a front line fighter thought it was a good idea to have have a vigor d4. he deserved the three times he nearly got killed but even then he still hasn't died. non of my pcs have so far died while playing savage worlds. well at least not unless they hadn't shown up for several game sessions in which case i found creative ways to turn them into npcs for the rest of the party to kill. ( what... attendance is important... its not like i was being evil or anything )

[Ian]

If your game is free flowing with regard to bennies you may not need hard to kill, otherwise I think that it is a must have with SW Deluxe, Ian

[Zadmar]

[Jonah Hex]