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Shadowdragon · Seasoned Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 390 Location: Canada

When damaging an object you don't get Aces, because apparently you can't destroy an object with a feather and a lucky Strength roll. This seems highly contradictory to the philosophy of the rest of the game because you can kill a dragon with a feather and a lucky Strength roll. And why is damage inflicted normally on animated objects? Suddenly a statue becomes just like a living creature simply because it's magically or scientifically animated? So, should the rules for damaging objects change, or should the rules for damage in general change?
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Snate56 · Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:43 am Post subject:

I would imagine that if it's that bothersome just allow acing for objects, after all, you may get lucky and hit the weak spot!

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Yuritau · Novice Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Posts: 24

I'd make it a situational GM judgement call based on the material the object in question is based on.

Most woods, glass, plastics, cheese: Ace away my friend!
Metal, bullet-proof glass, concrete, this guy's face: No aces for you!
purely fantastical/"indestructable" materials; Adamantium, Vibranium, Star Metal, etc etc: rolling 1 on Str die causes a d4 negative ace (rolled in secret) that subtracts from weapon die.

Zadmar · Heroic Joined: 10 Nov 2010 Posts: 1381 Location: Munich

Enno · Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:02 am Post subject:

Imo it boils down to simple logical, design and balancing reasons.

With unanimated things you have Parry 2, no vital areas, and damage only by certain types. So no Aces!

With animated things you have Parry, an moving target, and certain vital areas. So you have Aces to give even a Novice a fighting chance agains a Legendary Master.

A door typically doesn't hit back...
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xxlgeeklord · Seasoned Joined: 21 Nov 2011 Posts: 249

As mentioned above, living creatures and moving objects can be destroyed/ damaged through sheer luck/precision. However, with an animated statue tripping it up and placing your weapon under it would deal massive damage to it as it's own weight forces it onto the blade. This could be the reason for the acing damage, but so could a number of other things.

If your particular animated object or whatever has no weak points or ways to damage it easily, simply state that atacks may not ace against it(and you've got a pretty boring monster). Similarly, if the targeted object is something like an electric machine, which would have weaknesses, you say that attacks may ace again. The same thing goes for bonus damage when hitting with a raise. Also, anything with weak points is going to be vulnerable to a called shot, if the players realize it and are willing to take the attack penalty(which is why I disagree with Construct).
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tigerguy786 · Seasoned Joined: 26 Nov 2011 Posts: 434

77IM · Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject:

As others have mentioned, it has to do with complexity and weak points. You CAN get damage on a raise and Ace damage against vehicles, for example, because they have sufficient moving parts. But a homogeneous block of stone? Nah.

Animated objects are harder to justify -- but, consider that maybe "wounds" means something different. For example, defeating an animated chair might be as simple as hacking its legs off, while destroying a stationary chair might imply a fairly thorough pulverization.

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shinryu · Seasoned Joined: 18 Jul 2011 Posts: 300

Yeah, I think that's the way you have to look at it. You can pretty well disable a mobile statue if you blow through the joints, right? But we're getting into strange stuff here anyway. Can you blind it if you destroy the eyes? If not, how is it seeing you? I think it wouldn't be out of the question to declare such a thing to have some immunity to normal weapons or even to use the inanimate objects rules, but it all depends on what the monster is supposed to do. For a case like that it's very much setting rules or GM fiat.

For a case like a robot or a vehicle, I would assume they're basically Hardy if they're tough enough to count as inanimate. Vehicles are effectively Hardy in any case. Construct really is case by case, and a Hardy Construct is a pretty good approximation of a hard-to-kill statue I would tend to think.