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Crion
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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject: Timeline/Meta-Plot Questions |
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I'm working on my notes again, trying to put a few things in order to present to my players to give them a rundown on "recent" events (using the Reloaded/Epitaph #4 timeline of 1879), but there were a few other events I don't have proper details on. If anyone can provide answers (and if available, the related book), I would appreciate it:
1) When does Hellstromme get kicked out of Denver? Anyone have the exact details as to why? (After reading through Rain o' Terror again, I think that would be a good time for it)
2) What details were there about Hellstomme's plan to dig through the mountains? (I vaguely recall a note that this will be discussed in an upcoming book)
3) Does Fort 51 make any other canon appearances beyond the adventure noted in the Epitaph?
4) Any other news on the "aftermath" at Gomorrah, or was all that covered in Dead Presidents, Ghost Busters, and the Collegium? (And wasn't it mentioned again in Doomtown or Bust?)
5) I remember the Civil War has hit a cold war status, but the Rail Wars are still going on in force, correct? Any particular big events noted beyond The Cauldron in the 1877 update?
6) I might need to re-read South o' the Border, but wasn't there a note of a potential invasion and not just the Maze?
7) Has it even been noted if the British relinquish control of Detroit, or are they still there? If they did leave, when did it happen? |
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1) I'm not sure. I'd have to dig through my Hell On Earth stuff to answer that one, and I just don't have the time.
2) The Flood - specifically plot points 1 through 3.
3) Hell on Earth - it's not a nice place anymore. Though the Fear Level was 0 before the bombs fell (implying that not a lot happened there, and what did happen was ended very skillfully).
4) Gomorra's fate is something that will never be officially released. AEG owns the rights to the town, not Pinnacle, so they can't tell us what happened. All we know is what's in The Flood - the place is an abandoned wreck.
5) The civil war goes into semi-permanent cease-fire in 1879, after the events of Dead Presidents.
6) Santa Anna is constantly eying Texas and the rest of the southwest. For reasons of Mexican politics, he'll have to start his campaign in the Maze, but he's going to sweep east to the Mississippi river if he's not stopped.
7) I know this is listed somewhere, but I can't take the time to find it. Try the Timeline of Doom, though.
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Crion
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| ValhallaGH wrote: | 1) I'm not sure. I'd have to dig through my Hell On Earth stuff to answer that one, and I just don't have the time.
2) The Flood - specifically plot points 1 through 3.
3) Hell on Earth - it's not a nice place anymore. Though the Fear Level was 0 before the bombs fell (implying that not a lot happened there, and what did happen was ended very skillfully).
4) Gomorra's fate is something that will never be officially released. AEG owns the rights to the town, not Pinnacle, so they can't tell us what happened. All we know is what's in The Flood - the place is an abandoned wreck.
5) The civil war goes into semi-permanent cease-fire in 1879, after the events of Dead Presidents.
6) Santa Anna is constantly eying Texas and the rest of the southwest. For reasons of Mexican politics, he'll have to start his campaign in the Maze, but he's going to sweep east to the Mississippi river if he's not stopped.
7) I know this is listed somewhere, but I can't take the time to find it. Try the Timeline of Doom, though. |
Thanks for the input, ValhallaGH. Just a few quick notes to add if you/anyone else get the chance:
1) Even if you have a hint as to the book to hunt down, that'd be appreciated. If not, no big, I'll go on a reading spree once I get the chance.
2) Thanks for the note; I'll have to thumb through that at some point.
3) I remember the note in HoE; glad to know I'm not missing a major metaplot point (and have carte blanche to do what I want with it)
4) A pity that copyright had to get in the way of a storyline. But again, at least I know that I can do what I want without overlooking anything.
Last note was that Knicknevin made it to a physical state and raised holy hell, leaving the place a wreck (and the local Agency and Ranger population weakened but working together), correct? Or did I mix that up with a different storyline?
5) I figured as much, but what about the Rail Wars? Still in force as before? And anything beyond the Cauldron as being a worthwhile battleground?
6) Shiny. I'll have to keep that in mind to throw my players into a loop (or a panic).
7) Sadly, it isn't in the Timeline o' Doom (that was my first stop). Any other suggestions? |
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The Stray
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Timeline/Meta-Plot Questions |
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| Crion wrote: | I'm working on my notes again, trying to put a few things in order to present to my players to give them a rundown on "recent" events (using the Reloaded/Epitaph #4 timeline of 1879), but there were a few other events I don't have proper details on. If anyone can provide answers (and if available, the related book), I would appreciate it:
1) When does Hellstromme get kicked out of Denver? Anyone have the exact details as to why? (After reading through Rain o' Terror again, I think that would be a good time for it)
2) What details were there about Hellstomme's plan to dig through the mountains? (I vaguely recall a note that this will be discussed in an upcoming book)
3) Does Fort 51 make any other canon appearances beyond the adventure noted in the Epitaph?
4) Any other news on the "aftermath" at Gomorrah, or was all that covered in Dead Presidents, Ghost Busters, and the Collegium? (And wasn't it mentioned again in Doomtown or Bust?)
5) I remember the Civil War has hit a cold war status, but the Rail Wars are still going on in force, correct? Any particular big events noted beyond The Cauldron in the 1877 update?
6) I might need to re-read South o' the Border, but wasn't there a note of a potential invasion and not just the Maze?
7) Has it even been noted if the British relinquish control of Detroit, or are they still there? If they did leave, when did it happen? |
1) I'm not sure about this one, so I'll punt.
2) The Flood covers this (and advances the timeline to 1880 in the process). It's a major part of the first three plot points.
3) Not so far.
4) There's a Doomtown forum with a punch of official story pieces that lay out the tale here. This might be what you're looking for, if you have the time. Sadly, as of The Flood Gommora is an abandoned Ghost Town, but there's no need to have your game wind up that way.
5) The civil War went into a ceasefire after Dead Presidents, which means a tenuous peace. There's still conflicts, especially in in The Maze and the Disputed Lands, and the Rail Wars kicked back into gear. There was a short lull after The Edict of '77 (when Grimme sealed Lost Angels to all but the faithful), but the ceasefire of the Civil War turned the Rail Wars hot again, and this lasts until The Battle of Lost Angels in The Flood (which has some major spoilers, but effectively puts an end to the race for the major Ghost Rock contracts offered by the USA and CSA), until the Battle of Broken Rails in Last Sons kicks it off again (the Rail Wars don't end with the completion of the intercontinental line, in other words).
6) Santa Anna's invasion is covered in The Flood.
7) So far, the British are still in Detroit, which is becoming a political sticking point for the USA. I have the feeling the British being in Detroit will be covered in one of the other Plot Point books they have planned (or a Trail Guide...they're working on two covering Back East).
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Timeline/Meta-Plot Questions |
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| The Stray wrote: |
7) So far, the British are still in Detroit, which is becoming a political sticking point for the USA. I have the feeling the British being in Detroit will be covered in one of the other Plot Point books they have planned (or a Trail Guide...they're working on two covering Back East). |
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K.G. Carlson
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Timeline/Meta-Plot Questions |
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| VonDan wrote: | | The Stray wrote: |
7) So far, the British are still in Detroit, which is becoming a political sticking point for the USA. I have the feeling the British being in Detroit will be covered in one of the other Plot Point books they have planned (or a Trail Guide...they're working on two covering Back East). |
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Crion
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Timeline/Meta-Plot Questions |
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| The Stray wrote: |
1) I'm not sure about this one, so I'll punt.
2) The Flood covers this (and advances the timeline to 1880 in the process). It's a major part of the first three plot points.
3) Not so far.
4) There's a Doomtown forum with a punch of official story pieces that lay out the tale here. This might be what you're looking for, if you have the time. Sadly, as of The Flood Gommora is an abandoned Ghost Town, but there's no need to have your game wind up that way.
5) The civil War went into a ceasefire after Dead Presidents, which means a tenuous peace. There's still conflicts, especially in in The Maze and the Disputed Lands, and the Rail Wars kicked back into gear. There was a short lull after The Edict of '77 (when Grimme sealed Lost Angels to all but the faithful), but the ceasefire of the Civil War turned the Rail Wars hot again, and this lasts until The Battle of Lost Angels in The Flood (which has some major spoilers, but effectively puts an end to the race for the major Ghost Rock contracts offered by the USA and CSA), until the Battle of Broken Rails in Last Sons kicks it off again (the Rail Wars don't end with the completion of the intercontinental line, in other words).
6) Santa Anna's invasion is covered in The Flood.
7) So far, the British are still in Detroit, which is becoming a political sticking point for the USA. I have the feeling the British being in Detroit will be covered in one of the other Plot Point books they have planned (or a Trail Guide...they're working on two covering Back East). |
Thank you as well for the input, Stray. I was double checking a few things (Timeline o' Doom and my other notes), so I'm just going to tack on a couple of things:
1) Apparently, Hellstromme got kicked out after the actions of his troops on Banshee. Just seems rather odd that it took that long, considering all of the Ghost Rock Bombs he made and clearly isn't afraid to use in the 1800's. . .
2) I thumbed through The Flood and noticed that the Hellbore comes up quite often. I'll have to sit down and read through the plot points this weekend and see how I can get some of those elements into my 1879 game.
3) Again, glad to see that it is that way 
4) Thank you for that link. I will have to read through that when I have an opportunity (probably between class sessions this summer). While I might not use it directly in my game, I did enjoy reading through those adventures, and it gave a few ideas as to how much can happen in the setting.
5 and 6) Thank you for once again noting the importance of the plot points in The Flood. This just adds more reasons to why I need to buy my own hardback copy at some point in the near future. . .
7) Hopefully it will be covered at some point, because it seems to be a rather interesting thing to have floating around and possibly deserving of a few more notes beyond the old Tales o' Terror book. |
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The Stray
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I wish the Timeline of Doom would get some updates for all the stuff that happened from '78-'80...it looks like the last Classic supplement covered is Men In Black Dusters. The Ghostbusters/Rain o' Terror/Dead Presidents trio do a LOT to advance the metaplot, as did the DL:R core book and The Flood (and the three Trail Guides that have been put out, to a lesser degree) advance specific parts of it quite a lot.
1) Cool. I'm not up on HoE, so I don't know that much about the far future of the setting.
2) Also the Savage Tales. That's where all the real action is.
3) I expect they'll get to it...I think Between Stone and a Hard Place is supposed to cover the Southwest and Louisiana.
4) You're welcome. The short version is Knicknevin got free, got beat, trashed the town lots before he went down, then the town started to get rebuilt. Then the game died, so we never saw how the new plot arc ended.
5 & 6) And the Savage Tales. Plenty of Savage Tales to keep you busy.
7) I'm hoping that any Back East: The North books will feature a "liberate Detroit" Savage Tale or Plot Point.
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| The Stray wrote: | | I wish the Timeline of Doom would get some updates for all the stuff that happened from '78-'80...it looks like the last Classic supplement covered is Men In Black Dusters. The Ghostbusters/Rain o' Terror/Dead Presidents trio do a LOT to advance the metaplot, as did the DL:R core book and The Flood (and the three Trail Guides that have been put out, to a lesser degree) advance specific parts of it quite a lot. |
The Timeline of Doom appears to be designed to only present material from the Player's Section, so much of what you mentioned wouldn't go in even if it were updated.
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Couple of things I noticed:
4) The last "official" word on pre-Flood Gomorra was in the final CCG expansion Do Unto Others, which dealt with a massive Union/Confederate battle that involved something called "the Last Kingdom" that appears to be a huge invasion of the undead (that may have been allied to the Rebs?). Anyway, given this was the last point in the storyline before it's seen in The Flood, it's reasonable to assume that the Last Kingdom messed the town up severely enough to end it.
5) According to Last Sons, Union president James A. Garfield is assassinated on 2 July 1881. Two days later, on 4 July 1881, new president Chester A. Arthur officially recognises the Confederacy as a free and independent nation, ending the Civil War.
6) Santa Anna dies during his invasion in mid-1880, in one of The Flood's savage tales. Xitlan, his adviser and head of the Aztec/Mexican conspiracy, dies later the same year, in the mini-plot point campaign in South of the Border (the Reloaded one). As far as I'm aware, those two were the major potential instigators of further invasion.
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