Great White Games/Pinnacle Entertainment Group

[kingofsouls]

Yesterday, i was having a session. An archer smacks the character in question with an arrow, whom has a 9 in parry. The damage wasn't enough to shake, but he called bullcrap. He claims that it's not fair that ranged attackers can just ignore parry and hit for damage. I need someway to convince him.

i just wanted to clarify somethings about this. The target number to hit something at range, no matter what is being used is 4, right?

So I know hitting at medium/long range give you penalties and if you hit someone with a melee weapon if they don't have one you get a fighting bonus. But i think there are some things I forgot. Also, discuss please.

[Enno]

Yes, ranged attacks have TN4, modified by range, light, visibility, cover, movement, and other situational modifiers.

The targets parry only matters in melee attacks, like hitting him with a bow if adjacent.

Usually you don't parry a missile, you dodge it, or dive for cover.
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[amerigoV]

Just bring a bow to the next gaming session. Tell him you heard his concerns and you want to gather some empirical data.
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[Culverin]

Remind him that there are plenty of advantages to being a melee combatant, and that all types of combat were designed with balance and realism in mind. Bows have pretty terrible damage, after all. Thrown weapons even have the capacity for more damage than arrows.
Also, at least in my experience, melee characters mow through ranged characters when they close. And besides that, blades don't need reloading.

That being said, a couple of settings do allow Parry to become the TN for ranged weapons, at least with the right Edge. Iron Dynasty comes to mind.

[kingofsouls]

Yea i told him a few things mentioned here, but his reply is that he's still thinks its not fair and in his campaign (we're doing this online btw) ranged attacks are made against parry.

[Culverin]

Ah. It seems like you are dealing with a power gamer. Go along with it, and throw a boss at him with a Parry of 497. Ultimately, he needs to remember that the rules are whatever you say they are. If he doesn't agree with the rules, he can leave, or at least join another game that fits his preference. Allowing such exceptions would be akin to cheating your other, more cooperative players.

I can understand disagreeing with a GM ruling when it defies the normal rules, but asking another GM to conform to his own broken rulings is not in the spirit of tabletopping in general.

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[kingofsouls]

[GranFalloon]

If a character is paying close attention to what an archer is doing, I could see allowing them some sort of evasive maneuver, whereby he dodges just before the archer fires. If he's fighting someone else hand-to-hand, or dealing with multiple archers, I call baloney. Arrows are fast. I shoot at about 50 lbs, and you would be hard-pressed to dodge my arrows (instead, you could just rely on the fact that my accuracy sucks). The guys downrange with their fancy compound bows, shooting at 75 lbs or so? Oigh, those arrows are frighteningly quick! A medieval archer, who lives or dies by the accuracy and might of his shot? Yeah, I think it's safe to say he's shooting at a hundred pounds or better. You are not dodging that. You're also not smacking it away with your sword. You're putting things between yourself and the archer, whether it's a wall, a tree, a shield, a suit of mail, or another enemy (my #1 choice).

And really, Fighting d12 and Acrobat? Without the Dodge Edge? If this is a starting character, that sounds like an attempt at powergaming without really understanding the system. Specialization is good, even in Savage Worlds, but overspecialization will bite ya in the kiester.

[kingofsouls]