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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: Two guns and Marksman |
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If someone had Two-fisted, Ambidextrous, and Marksman would they get the +2 to both guns as long as they didn't move? Could they "double tap" and get a total of +3 on both shots?
I'm pretty sure that the answer is yes, but I'm not completely sure.
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Marksman may not be used with a rate of fire greater than one, so double tap sounds iffy. The rest should be okay, though.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Sitting Duck wrote: | | Marksman may not be used with a rate of fire greater than one, so double tap sounds iffy. The rest should be okay, though. |
"Marksman may never be used with a Rate of Fire greater than 1." pg. 36
"The Rate of Fire is how many Shooting dice the character rolls when firing the weapon." pg. 67
So Marksman should work with double-tap and 3-round burst. Unless I'm missing something in the rules that would contradict this.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Having shot 2 pistols at one time, and aimed with both I wold say no at lower ranks. It should be for a higher rank like veteran and have at least a d8 shooting.
Even tough you have 2 pistols held side by side, you only aim with 1 eye and can only align with 1 set of sights at a time.
Higher ranks & higher skills mean you do it faster.
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Thank you sir. I'll try searching next time, but my search fu is only a d4 maybe a d6 on a good day.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| marshal kt wrote: | | you only aim with 1 eye and can only align with 1 set of sights at a time. |
That's for aiming though. Marksman gives you the benefit of aiming without actually aiming. It's basically super-awesome hand-eye coordination.
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It's the same for actually aiming though. You can only aim at a single target.
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| newForumNewName wrote: | | It's the same for actually aiming though. You can only aim at a single target. |
Yep. But you can aim all your guns at that single target. Including your entire ROF if you use the Aim action.
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| newForumNewName wrote: | | marshal kt wrote: | | you only aim with 1 eye and can only align with 1 set of sights at a time. |
That's for aiming though. Marksman gives you the benefit of aiming without actually aiming. It's basically super-awesome hand-eye coordination. |
HUH? Where do you get that?
Marksman allows you to aim and move at the same time. It downs't say it replaces aim.
It's super concentration to aim and move.
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| marshal kt wrote: | | newForumNewName wrote: | | marshal kt wrote: | | you only aim with 1 eye and can only align with 1 set of sights at a time. |
That's for aiming though. Marksman gives you the benefit of aiming without actually aiming. It's basically super-awesome hand-eye coordination. |
HUH? Where do you get that?
Marksman allows you to aim and move at the same time. It downs't say it replaces aim.
It's super concentration to aim and move. |
You can't move and still use Marksman.
p.36 of the core rulebook:
"The hero excels at taking controlled, measured shots. If he does not move in a turn, he may fire as if he too the aim maneuver."
Even with marksman, you can't move and shoot. It essentially makes aiming and shooting a single action.
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You're right, I read that fast and missed the not move part.
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Marksman let's you aim as a free action.
so you do the following
aim right-hand gun
shoot right-hand gun
aim left-hand gun
shoot left-hand gun |
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| ogbendog wrote: | | Marksman let's you aim as a free action. |
Um, nope, it does not do that.
As noted above, it says, "If he does not move in a turn, he may fire as if he took the Aim maneuver."
Nothing about it being a free action at all. As others mentioned (and linked to), you can used Marksman with two guns, but they have to be fired at the same target because Aim only applies to a single target, and Marksman works "as if he took the Aim maneuver."
Also, to clarify another point connected to that, it's not the "benefit of aiming without actually aiming," it counts "as if he took the Aim maneuver," so it is exactly the same as the Aim maneuver (most importantly meaning it cannot be stacked with Aim).
Hope that clears things up.
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