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[kreider204]

(I started a new errata thread, and Clint requested that we keep requests for additions or changes in a separate thread - so here it is.)

Mostly, I love SWD now that it's been updated, and I look forward to the digest sized version when it comes out. At that time, it would be great if there could be a couple of things added to it:

1) The basic reloading rules need clarification, as per this thread by Clint:
http://www.peginc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23078
Since the purpose of SWD was to clarify some of the most important mechanics and address some of the most common questions, I was surprised that this was not included.

2) I think it's odd to include the Injury table but not the Incapacitation table in the Collected Charts & Tables section near the end of the book. It would be great if the Bleeding Out table were there as well.

That's really it for me. Anyone else?
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[Virgobrown72]

I gotta say, as much as I love Savage Worlds in it's many incarnations, I'm not in love with the weapons charts. I still feel there are too many similar weapons. For the sake of Fast, Furious, and Fun, I use a simplified chart of weapons (Small pistol, pistol, large pistol, Rifle, etc.), and just specify with setting rules and stuff. Perhaps something along this vein?
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[zomben]

I'd love to see the Social Conflict, and Dramatic Tasks sections revised into an overall "Skill Challenges" rule, ala D&D 4e. That's pretty much what I've done with them anyway.

[kreider204]

[ValhallaGH]

[Merlin_Sylver]

I'm pretty much in agreement that the basic weapons list should be distilled down to very basic weapon types. However, I'd also like to see a 'Modern Arms' source book that gives greater detail to those that want them, detailing minutia between the various types of weapons within the basic types.

Also, I'd like to see some 'official' cybertech rules.
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[Baiyo]

[Bloodwork]

[Mylon]

I'd like to see the edges balanced a bit. Elan seems incredibly powerful, considering that it also is applied when rolling for soak rolls. Two Fisted, Rock and Roll, and Improved Frenzy are also incredibly powerful, negating -4 to -6 of penalties. Halving these bonuses (and adding extra edges to cover the rest of the penalties) only seems fair and still makes these paths incredibly alluring.

Also, a common house rule is to replace swimming and climbing with athletics. This ought to be made cannon.

I'd like to see bennies changed a little. Soaking seems to be the obvious choice as well as drawing combat out a bit. Soaking should either be an action (rather than a reaction) or be made at the penalty of the wounds about to be received. This would make soaking a bit more chancy. As compensation, split armor into 4 levels, leather, light mail, heavy mail/light plate and heavy plate and perhaps add a +1 toughness edge before legendary so it's a bit harder to fall into the death spiral.

It would also be nice to include some optional rules in the core book, like Clint's tying initiative to stats idea, just as an example.

Wound and encumbrance penalties are strange. Encumbrance makes wearing heavy armor without the required strength a very poor choice and wound penalties do lead to the death spiral. Perhaps change encumbrance to -1 move, then -1 to skills/-2 move, then -2 to skills -4 move, and change wound penalties to -0/-1/-2. Fatigue can also be made more standard by copying the encumbrance penalties of -1 move/-0, -2 move/-1, -4 move/-2, giving it three levels.

[Wandering Monster]

An abstract wealth system to go with simplified weapon charts. There's absolutely nothing fast, fun, nor furious about price lists.

[AFDia]

I think some rules should be streamlined to make them easier to remember.

2 examples:
1.) First Strike and Counterattack: One is per turn, one is per round. In 99% of the time there is no difference, but if you cast Quickness on somebody, you have to remember which one is per turn and which one is per round.
2.) Multiple targets Spell modifier: There are 2 versions of this "modifier" which makes it harder to remember.

I think SW does a good job in merging flavor text and modifiers in short paragraphs and I really don't want a purely keyword-based ruling, but some fine grained differences (like the 2 examples above) just look like oversights on proofreading* and doesn't really make sense to me.

*even if they aren't, the difference is so marginal, that I would ditch it to keep the rules more FFF

[KazianG]

[Clint]

[kreider204]

Clint, it sounds to me as though I may have offended you. If so, I'm not sure why / how, but I apologize for any posting negligence on my part anyway. I thought I was simply reiterating what you yourself had said about the core reloading rules in the thread that I linked, but I obviously misunderstood.

Perhaps this thread was a bad idea - please feel free to delete it.
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[Clint]

[warrenss2]

I'd like to see the ammo rules changed on the Wildcards to be handled like it is on the Extras.

That's all. Everything else seems just peachy to me.
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[Bernd]

I think with the errata, the Deluxe Edition is pretty decent. What I would like to see are some little clarifications that would help lowering the rules questions, I think. Here's a list I have in the back of my copy:

- Under Making Races, it could be added that +2 Armor does not stack with worn armor.
- Under the Small Hindrance, it could be clarified that this also reduces the Size by 1 (I know that this should be common sense, but since the description says it could be a skinny rather than short person this isn't obvious and some settings really use the Size-Modifier)
- In the Equipment chapter under Parry +X, it could be mentioned that the Parry bonus of two weapons does not stack.
- Under the Bleeding Out rules, it could be mentioned that this is not a Healing roll and is therefore not penalized by wound modifiers and does not take 10 minutes.
- Under the Fire rules (Hazards), it could be mentioned that the damage will be one level higher than before (if it spreads again) and that it is extinguished only when actively attempting to extinguish it.

As for the reloading, I don't really think its necessary to include Clint's post, but the paragraph in the Equipment chapter needs a little clean up. It does not say 1/3 in the entry of the weapon if it takes 2 actions to reload. So this sentence in this paragraph is kinda wrong. It would help to tell that reloading a single bullet (or projectile) or magazine (if applicable) is usually a free action unless it specifically states differently.

EDIT: After my latest question I would bring back the sentence about being Shaken after magical and natural healing and Incapacitation. Furthermore, it could be added that this is relevant only in combat situations.

[Clint]