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Banjo · Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: [DRL][SWD] New spells ?

There are a few new spells in SWD.
Will any of these be allocated to the DRL arcance backgrounds ?
If so, which ones Wink

Cutter XXIII · Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: [DRL][SWD] New spells ?

Baiyo · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject:

I hope those updates don't inlcude the removal of the Guts skill. I understand why it was removed from the core rules, but it would just feel wrong to remove it from Deadlands.

JackMann · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject:

Baiyo, Guts remains as an optional, setting rule. Deadlands is specifically mentioned as a setting where it's appropriate, so I don't think you need to worry.

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Dahak · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject:

Does this mean that the Explorer's Edition of Deadlands Reloaded Player's Guide will reflect the changes?

Cutter XXIII · Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: Re: [DRL][SWD] New spells ?

Talison · Seasoned Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 251

I have a question in this department. I know it's usually said that the Setting Book trumps the Core Rules. I know Deadlands has Martial Arts Edges already, so you would probably use them over the new ones in SWD. But what about old spells that appear in both DLR and SWD but have been updated in Deluxe? Bolt, Quickness, a few others. Is it a rules update, or is bolt in DLR considered a setting specific type of thing?

JackMann · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject:

See Cutter's first post in this thread. They're updating powers to agree with what's in SWD.

Cutter XXIII · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: [DRL][SWD] New spells ?

Talison · Seasoned Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 251

Thanks Cutter. Apparently one of my group went to GenCon and played in a Deadlands game (which might have been run by a Pinnacle guy but I'm not sure.) He tried doing Quickness the new way out of SWD and was asked to use the version out of the setting book instead. My friend got the idea that it was because the powers in DLR were Setting Rules, but I'm not sure how that came about. We then played Deadlands last night and said player asked me what powers we were using for Deadlands.

All good, now I have a definitive answer for him.

Cutter XXIII · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject:

Talison · Seasoned Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 251

I hadn't even thought of that, but it's perfectly reasonable. Of course my friend is also a little TOO enamored with the new Quickness. It's his current favorite thing Razz

Cutter XXIII · Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject:

Jonah Hex · Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:17 am Post subject:

Thunderforge · Veteran Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 927

I agree. Even in the Explorer's Edition, Quickness was always seen as a "gotta have it" power because it was so good compared to others. Now it feels like it's a no brainer to take it. Why take Elemental Manipulation or Smite when you can get two turns for the price of one via Quickness?
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Baiyo · Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject:

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jpk · Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject:

As far as quickness goes, here's my two cents.

It's a Seasoned power. That means, by and large, it costs an Edge to pick it up. That's not nothing.

It costs four Power Points. That makes it one of the more expensive powers available. Again, not nothing.

If you're taking the time to cast quickness, you won't be able to take that turn to cast any of the other powers that have been labeled as "too good not to take" or "game-breaking." Seriously, if you comb the forum even lightly, you'll see that it's not a short list.

If you think the NPCs are getting stomped too easily by your PCs, it's totally in your control to beef 'em up, even if (somehow) quickness isn't the cause. Heck, I'd suggest it's the GM's responsibility to do so.

Honestly, in years of playing Savage Worlds in my home groups, I've only see quickness taken as a power a few times, and that's it. Maybe we're just a bunch of freaks. [Yes, you're welcome for that high lob, peanut gallery. Go to town.]

But I suppose we really ought to get back to the actual topic of the thread now, shouldn't we? #1eek13

Banjo · Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:20 am Post subject:

Yes, back on my original topic would be nice Wink

This is not really the forum for discussing the merits or comparitive worth of various Powers.

Although I think that my original querie has already been answered, very swiftly, and the answer was "Some time, in the distant future, when we have time, can get around to it, when the moon is high, capricorn is in ascendent and the wind is blowing from the WNW on a tuesday afternoon we might have time to decide what new Powers from SWD can be used in DLR." Laughing

In the meantime use the new Power descriptions form SWD for DLR - at least that is what I am doing Wink

That is good enough for me, but some of my players' are looking at a couple of the new Powers and making Crying or Very sad

eyes at me .....

Cheers, Chris

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