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Timon · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: [NE] Unstoppable Super munchkin

Below is the entirely legal (unless I miss my count) NE character my munchkin player made.
This guy tears through Drones and Ktharen troopers and is very hard to hit.
He has basically maxed-out use of device and done some smart things with Super Edges and Super Attributes.

Any suggestions as to how to challenge him?
Gang-up gets owned by Improved First Strike and ranged attacks have to get through his level 4 Deflection. He hits for d12+5+d8+2 damage.
I am certainly planning on taking/destroying his modified Vibro-sword (=fighting and deflection powers), but it is hard to hit him unless I roll out an ultra-sniper character.
I might yet do that... but am I missing something in the meantime?

Blade
Attributes: Agility d10, Smarts d8, Spirit d10, Strength d10, Vigor d8
Skills: Fighting d12+5, Guts d6, Notice d8, Swimming d8, Streetwise d8
Charisma 0, Pace 6, Parry 10, Toughness 8, Power Points 20, CV 201
Hindrances: Arrogant, Super Karma: Overconfident, Vengeful, Big Mouth
Edges: Arcane Background (Super Powers), Power Points: +5, Combat Reflexes, First Strike, Improved First Strike, Level Headed, Rich, Danger Sense, Improved Level Headed.
Powers: Attack, Melee: 3, Awareness, Deflection: 4, Lair, Speed: Pace×2, Super Attributes, Super Skills, Super Edge: Combat Reflexes, Improved First Strike, Level Headed, Improved Level Headed.
Gear: Vibro-Sword: Str+d8+2, Duraweave Suit: +1, Z-Belt: +1, Kevlar Vest: +2/4, Artificial Gill, Flashlight (10" beam), CommLink.
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newForumNewName · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:21 am Post subject:

Mind Control: "Take a nap."
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UmbraLux · Veteran Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 672

Once he's up from his nap, toss a few grenades his way.

newForumNewName · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject:

He's only got Toughness 8(2). I second the Fusion Grenades (3d8, AP 4).
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Pariah74 · Veteran Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 934

How about a Flier with Super Skill d12+ Throwing, multiple actions and grenades?
Call him Strafe...or B-17.
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Pariah74 · Veteran Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 934

Oh and another good trick for smacking the crap out of super munchkin ninjas like this one...Intangible with the a fore mentioned Mind Control.
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TheLoremaster · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject:

Looks like the character was built with Metacreator. I'd like to take a closer look and see how it was put together. Would you mind passing me over the file so I can see how his points breakdown?

From a cursory glance, I think he may have too many Power Points assigned, but that depends largely on what mods were chosen. Still, I won't say he's not a tough cookie. It's .... kinda impressive, really. Smile

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Cutter XXIII · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject:

marshal kt · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject:

Big mouth.
Sooner or later he's gonna run his mouth. Someone will drop dime on him to the V'sori.

They'll encircle him, and then mind control: him, or the crowd to capture him.

Or, they can play against his ego.

Make him fight a mirror of himself. But it's a contruct or better and undead. it can ignore the wound penalties.

If a munchkin is to uber, make him beat himself.
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newForumNewName · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject:

Livor Mortis · Novice Joined: 18 Jun 2010 Posts: 8

I once made a character that I never really got to use for a Supers campaign, which has some ideas that could work fairly well against this character. It had 20 power points (so Novice level with Super Karma and extra Power Points edge) divided as follows:

Extra Limbs (1): +1 Reach (5 power points)
Speed: Super Sonic (10 power points)

With the following powers affecting only the Extra Limb (which makes them cheaper as putting powers in devices does):

Decay: Midas Touch, Strong (2 power points)
Infection (3): Always On, Strong (1 power point)
Paralysis: Extra Power (2 power points)

Basically, the idea was to run into the battlefield, make a touch attack using his extra limb (which happens to be an extra hand growing from his stomach) from a distance (reach), leave the battlefield, lather, rinse, repeat.

The touch attacks call for 3 Vigor rolls at -2 or nasty things happen (i.e. taking a wound, becoming shaken or paralyzed, or just flat out becoming incapacitated). Though your character's Parry is at 10, the Touch attacks give +2 (which, however, likely will be cancelled out by needing to make a called shot), and Wild Attack's an additional +2 (will drop parry by 2, but he's gonna be off the battlefield after his actions anyway, and he's got the -8 penalty to attack him because of supersonic speed, in case anyone gets the bright idea of going on Hold). And because of the reach, your guy doesn't get his First Strike attack. Add on a touch of (Improved) Frenzy, or as per Deluxe rules maybe even a Rapid Attack, and your guy may find himself in a world of pain.

I found it rather appropriate to nickname this character 'The Swift Hand of Death'. And though you might not want to put this character up as is against your players, there's some ideas in there which I figure might be useful against the character you described, using melee attacks. Using Reach would, in my opinion, be essential if you want to go into melee against this guy. Disarm maneuver is golden.

A few other suggestions, other than the ones already mentioned above:

Explode power
Clever use of Illusions
Invisibility to get close without getting First Stricken
Absorption with the Reflection modifier to make his attacks backfire (I particularly like this one, imagining the 'Oh crap' look on the face of your player after inflicting 2 wounds to himself... Maybe I'm just mean)
Storm with the Lightning Strike modifier (Still affected by the -4 for Deflection, but can be done from a hell of a long distance and does massive damage).

Lord Lance · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject:

Here the first two things coming to my mind: Ensnare with area attack - with parry 2 he shouldn't be a big problem ;D and/or Fear, with low Guts you can nerf him quickly, maybe kill him too, with a nice terrific roll on the fear table...
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TheLoremaster · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject:

Thanks for sending over those stats. OK, one point where he's illegal: Improved Level Headed is a Seasoned Rank Edge. Since he only has 5 XP, he could only take that as a Super Edge , but it looks like he took it as his 5 XP bump. Can you clarify that?

What about his Trappings? From his Powers, they all either have Require Activation or Device Limitations, but what are the Trappings? That's really where the balancing factor is going to come in. From the PC background, it might be some secret weapon or bodysuit that gives him these abilities. Without them, he's a normal human with a GREAT Fighting skill (d10 natural + 6 Levels of Super Skill = d12+5 Fighting).

So when he goes back to his Lair after a long night of fighting baddies ... and he steps into the shower ... and the bomb wired to the water line EXPLODES ... he will die. Twisted Evil

But up until then, he'll be awesome!

He also only has a mediocre Guts Skill, so any character with Fear or Terror should make things challenging for him. Otherwise, get him through his background. He's got some unresolved daddy issues, play those out too. I think you could have a grand time playing with this dude... Very Happy

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Timon · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! So far the most useful ones are those that do not require super-powers. I am running the NE plotpoint, which is mainly V'Sori opposition and very few supers. The Ktharens do carry fusion grenades, so that one is getting applied straight off, though with a d10 Agility he has a good chance of diving clear.

What I really want to do is nail the devices.
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Timon · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject:

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TheLoremaster · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject:

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