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Vinzent Veteran

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: Personal Body Shields |
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| In a sci-fi setting, how would you implement personal energy shields without just resorting to them acting as armor? In other words how would you keep them interesting? |
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SlasherEpoch Legendary

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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You could do a couple things:
1. They absorb a set number of Wounds instead of acting as Armor
2. They act as armor but grant a couple Bennies just to soak with; once these bennies are gone, the shield stops working
3. They act as Armor until they take X points of damage
4. The Dune route, where they aren't useful against melee attacks
5. They act as Armor until they absorb X amount of Wounds
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OSIAdept Heroic

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have gone the following route in regards to my System Crash Setting.
Plasma Barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most Ballistic or energy weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
Plasma barriers are repulsive electro-magnetic fields projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to sit down without knocking away their chair.
The shielding afforded by plasma barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.
Game Mechanics
A Hard-Suit's or Ships Shields allow a free soak roll using the shields Rating Die, if the the damage bypasses the shield the shield is temporarily overloaded going down for 3 rounds after which the shield returns. Armor mods can provide bonuses to the roll or decrease recharge time, while certain ammo mods are designed to break shields down incurring a penalty on the soak roll.
Shields have the Following Ratings
Lvl 1: d6 (Standard on all combat hard-suits)
Lvl 2: d8
Lvl 3: d10
Shields provide the free soak roll vs. Ballistic and Directed Energy damage. Melee and thrown Weapons do not set off the the shield's reflex system. Soak rolls vs Explosive Damage suffers a -2 penalty. Due to the Shields ability to block the shrapnel but the kinetic force does not register one shields sensors. _________________ Facebook
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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My take on it is that you could allow them to function as a deflector shield of sorts, making it harder to hit the target that they are protecting. If you went that route instead of soaking damage, they would probably be best served adding onto Dodge/Parry of a character. A good shot is still going to get through, but a lot of shots that normally barely make it are deflected.
So where as normal armor makes it harder to damage, this makes it harder to hit them. So it acts outside of the cover bonus, it's more like obscurement than anything else. Different levels of shield could add bigger bonuses for whatever they're protecting using the obscurement steps as a guide. _________________ Kevin Rohan, Content Director
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77IM Heroic

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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For my Fading Suns conversion I made it like Armor, but different sorts of things pierce it.- Armor protects against physical melee attacks and slow projectiles (arrows, knives, etc.), and half value against other damage.
- Shields protect against energy weapons (melee or ranged) and fast projectiles (bullets), and half value against other damage. They provide double protection against explosions, falls, collisions, etc., but then burn out until repaired.
- The two don't stack, so if you have Shields +5 and Armor +1, and are hit with a physical melee attack, you get +2 protection (half the Shield value) since it's better than the Armor.
- That sounds complicated but what it really means is that everybody has two Toughness values: Physical (Armor) and Energy (Shields). You just have to know which sort of defense your attack goes against.
- SP works just like AP but is on attacks that target Shields.
This is not as "interesting" as an entirely new mechanic but it's easy to understand and balance, and does provide important tactical differences between Armor and Shields.
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Fury Seasoned

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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As mentioned by Rohan, deflection shield that increase Dodge and Parry is one option. Deflection might also give the Hardy ability, i.e., a result of Shaken is not staged up to a Wound if the target is already Shaken. It can be explained by the shield deflecting glancing blows, but stronger attacks penetrate it. _________________ "We are the Queen's shield. We are the nation's shield."
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jasales Seasoned
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:12 am Post subject: |
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My take on them is to give a separate toughness value for the shield. If that is overcome, apply the remainder to the target as normal. If the shield is overcome you need to decide when and if it comes back up. Some suggestions: next round, next scene, next action card, next action card next round, after a required action (boost shields! Button).
Also, think about what it protects against: energy weapons, kinetic weapons, does it allow the passage of gases, etc.
You can find some examples of shields of different strength in the Savage Mass Effect conversion on www.explodingdice.com (downloads). |
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kreider204 Heroic
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I've done:
In brief: A shield has a Toughness rating and a number of wounds, just like a person. Attacks against someone wearing a shield work against the shield first, and then against the wearer once the shield is down.
In detail: If a character successfully hits a target with a shield, then the character rolls damage and compares it to the target’s shield’s Toughness; each raise reduces the number of the shield’s wound levels by one. (A success has no effect; shields cannot be “Shaken.”) When the shield absorbs its maximum number of wounds, the shield is considered down. Any excess damage from a single attack that reduces a shield to zero wound levels is applied directly to the target. _________________ "It only takes an extra second to be courteous."
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Lord Lance Heroic

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| SlasherEpoch wrote: |
1. They absorb a set number of Wounds instead of acting as Armor
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I use this one. VERY FFF! Almost no rolls, no book-keeping etc. Just add 1 or 2 wounds boxes to the sheet... Of course, if you can recharge the shield, you can regain the protection. How quickly the shield recharge?? This depends on what kind of setting are you trying to build. 1 round? 1 hour? 1 day? Do you need an external power-source? _________________ "Balance is the key, Trapping is the word." - - Lord Lance
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kreider204 Heroic
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lord Lance wrote: | | SlasherEpoch wrote: |
1. They absorb a set number of Wounds instead of acting as Armor
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I use this one. VERY FFF! Almost no rolls, no book-keeping etc. Just add 1 or 2 wounds boxes to the sheet... Of course, if you can recharge the shield, you can regain the protection. How quickly the shield recharge?? This depends on what kind of setting are you trying to build. 1 round? 1 hour? 1 day? Do you need an external power-source? |
The only reason I don't like this is that the shields essentially have the same "Toughness" as the person, which doesn't really make a lot of sense to me - why should the same shield technology protect better or worse depending on the wearer's Toughness. I agree, though, that it's super fast, so if that conceptual issue doesn't bother you, it's a good choice. _________________ "It only takes an extra second to be courteous."
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Snate56 Legendary

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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So assign a different Toughness to the shield. When the shield drops, Toughness reverts to the character's own.
In fact, you could have different shields with different attributes like maybe a slippery shield with no wounds but a higher Toughness.
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kreider204 Heroic
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, that's basically what I've done (see above). _________________ "It only takes an extra second to be courteous."
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ValhallaGH Legendary
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Personal Body Shields |
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| Vinzent wrote: | | In a sci-fi setting, how would you implement personal energy shields without just resorting to them acting as armor? In other words how would you keep them interesting? |
Options include:
Deflection fields, like the power.
Additional Wounds. This is the route I went with for my Savage Halo conversion.
Free Soak rolls, which consume X charges from the shield.
Separate Toughness / Wound track, which was a common choice for the various Mass Effect conversions.
A Combination of the various other options.
Others exist, I'm sure. However I haven't figured them out (yet). Maybe an adaptation of the vehicles rules .... _________________ "Got a problem? I've got the solution: Rocket Launcher."
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