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[Vinzent]

I'm curious. Most games I've played, it's usually double or triple pace.

Some of my players get frustrated if they roll a 1 on the d6 but still have to use a full action for it.

How seriously would it screw things up if I just gave "full die" value for run.

[HaraldKlak]

I like the dice rolls because it gives a mechanic for chasing eachother on foot. But you could choose only to roll dice in that instance.

Where it really matters is in combat, where it would make melee characters better. Ranged characters might be a bit nerfed, when meleeists can cover the range in shorter time. It's a balance issue that depends a lot on your playstyle. (In my group we don't use miniatures and range is somewhat arbitrary).

[Ron Blessing]

[Cryonic]

The nice thing about the die roll is that it allows one to deal with the vagaries of terrain vs movement. It also makes combat slightly less predictable, just like the use of cards for initiative.

[The Angle]

Rather than making it a flat +6, consider giving them a choice: they can take a flat +3, or they can roll the die and take what comes up. Or, for less randomness, forget the d6 and make the bonus 1d3 + (Agil/2).

Steve
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[Lord Inar]

I use 2d4 and 2d6 for fleetfooted myself.
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[Lysander]

I've seen others here also support an idea of using a d4+2 to give a 3-6 range for the standard running die...
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[chugosh]

I think it reflects well the randomness of combat situations. Like you go to run and your timing is off, or you suddenly find the way ahead clear. there's always more obstacles in your way than you think.

[shadd4d]

It's for randomness. Note that there's not pace penalty to diving for cover or going prone after moving 7".
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[serene_muse]

Reminds me of skirmish miniature games where you can move normally or "push" (force march, run etc.) with the extra distance being the die roll. So you might make it to the trench, or get stranded in No Man's Land or overshoot and land past it.

I like it, but I like miniature wargames that have that. A flat bonus or multiplier'd be ok if you don't want the extra randomness.

[Cryonic]

How do you go past it? if you roll higher than the distance needed, you should be able to just stop at the objective you were after.

[Magnus]

[Jordan Peacock]

One of the first "accidental house rules" I started off with was to just assume that running is double movement, especially since enough running happens that I'd rather not have yet another die-roll exercise when when all we're doing is moving. I understand the rationale for the die roll aspect, so that there's some uncertainty, and that people don't just coldly calculate, "I can end my move here, and he can't reach me AND attack on his next turn - and then I'll attack next" ... though randomized initiative helps to deal with this as well.

There are some cases where I have used the "Run Die" as a sort of derived pseudo-skill, just to handle - in abstract - situations involving dashing to get to something in time. There, it's NOT used to determine movement; it's for situations where I don't have miniatures on the table and I want a quick and abstract way to handle the competition. Most everyone has the same d6, but occasionally there'll be someone with Lame or Fleet Footed, and I apply encumbrance penalties to the check. The easy solution would be to just call it "Agility," but I use that more for raw, split-second reflex situations.

Thus, it's not entirely irrelevant even with my normal treatment of running. Also, Edges such as Fleet Footed or Lame come into play even during parts of the game where we're not bothering with miniatures or exact measurements.
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[Clint]

Mechanics-wise, it's quick. Roll one die and add to the base Pace. Plus, the totals are important too. Movement is a "defense" against ranged attacks in a way, enabling a character to move into a farther range increment or into close combat. Note that a typical character has a maximum run of 12", and the Short Range for most weapons is at least 12" as well. So most characters can't run and even get lucky to get out of Short Range in one round if they were in close combat with a foe.

Simulation-wise, when running in combat, a character's movement isn't always 100% under their control; there are multiple variables that can alter the situation.

Game-wise, it simply adds to the fun. The only absolute to running is +1"; anything more is up to chance and creates dramatic tension when the roll succeeds or fails. And generally when a character needs to run in a combat, it is a dramatic situation (I need to get there now!), and the more static the result the less tension in the situation.
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[inlife9]

I have always hated the solid number run. It made me feel cheap. The random d6 in SWEX helps paint the imperfect world. roll a 1 maybe your shoulder slammed the door when you were running out, or you cam down on the side of your foot. All these are very real & normal things that happen when running, for fun. It is not a stretch to think when bullets are fly around you, that you would not be the perfect swan your "certain other game" said you were.
Then again when I gm I do atally interpret the run dice as it fits.

[Cursed]

How about using different dice for different conditions? On hard/chaotic environment/situation use official method, for track conditions use 1d2+4 and for everything else, use suggested 1d4+2?

- Cursed

[serene_muse]

[serene_muse]

[Cryonic]

[serene_muse]

It's why I don't mind randomness, which includes *not* stopping before the distance rolled and possible ways to depict it and in general a non-fixed movement rate.

tl;dr it's how "you get past it"