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[HoE] Burst Fire

 
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SniperJuice
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: [HoE] Burst Fire Reply with quote

This might seem like a complete moron question however, while running a campaign I had allowed a person to take the Dualist ability from City O' Sin. Without realising that Dualist stated Short Action, now when I went back to reading the the double tap rules it states that every double tap beyond the first imposes a -3 penality for the round (just like automatic fire).

The problem is when you go back to the main book it says the Burst fire imposes the penalty for the Action not for the Round. Quickly discovered that if it's not imposed as increasing the difficulty to hit the target by -3 that dual wielding tokrav machine pistols is pretty much a instant killer.

Onto the real question because I can't find the rules errata anymore.

Is the statement made in the Double tap rules on page 5 & 6 in the [HoE] The Wasted West Book a typo or is Burst Firing suppose to impose the penalty for the round?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think these are both correct. Burst fire is the gun firing multiple shots the way it was made to do. You pull the trigger one time and several bullets fire. Each action is a new blast.

Double tapping is a single shot repeated. You pull the trigger two times quickly shooting two bullets.

Continually double tapping through a round increases the difficulty of aiming as your hands go through the actions. Firing in bursts through a round is similar to firing a gun with a larger kick. Yes, dual machine pistols are badness materialized.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate the comment, but the real question here is if the imposed penalty is suppose to be for the round or the action.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you give me either a page number or a quote of the wording? I write policy part time at work, and the answer will be in the context of the statement.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubletaps and burst fire do not work in the exact same way.

Each doubletap after the first in the same round suffers a -2 penalty.

Burst fire penalties apply over an action.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I understand this statement however the Wasted West book came out after the Primary HoE Book. and states (the following is a qoute)

Every double-tap after the first in the same round suffers a -2 recoil penalty (just like when firing automatic weapons), up to a *blah blah blah* .. go buy the book for the rest.

for those of you that have the book it is Page 6 to page 7 or if you have the pdf file for some reason starts on page 7 and goes to page 8.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but I'm confused; did I not answer part of the question or was it simply a matter of my answer contradicting that part of the book?

If the latter, the statement from the Wasted West that says, "(just like when firing automatic weapons)" is not accurate. They are similar but different in the way I listed above. At least, that's the "official" answer for what it's worth.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, I miss-read the earlier post and thought it was another song and dance not really answering the question but the key to this is to ignore the Parentheses statement.
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