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DaRealJudas
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject: [NE] Photographic Reflexes Reply with quote

So I was wondering how to create a villain ala Marvelís Taskmaster or Monica from Heroes season 2. Yíknow a muscle mimic who can imitate the things he or she sees others do.
I used the Copy Cat Power with the following Modifiers:

Extra Duration [+3]
Versatility [+3]
Can only copy physical Skills, Combat Edges and Powers with Physical Training trapping [-4]

So what do you think? I know the character canít ďstoreĒ all his powers but at Level 6 or 8 he has a pretty good range of Skill Enhancements and Edges to choose from.
Or am I missing something? Is -4 balanced enough or does it have to be higher or lower?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the question I would ask is not how the power is defined (the trappings) but how it actually works (the effect). I don't know the second example, but I'm familiar with the first. He doesn't lose his fighting ability; his mimicry is just an explanation for how he got it and why he is hard to hit... unless someone does something he hasn't seen before and isn't expecting.

So effect-wise, it feels more like Super Skill Fighting, Super Edges, and then...

Parry (Catch and Throw) and Deflection with the limitation...

Modifier -2 (does not work if surprised or successfully Tricked)

So the mimicry isn't really the power, but a limitation on some of his powers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clint wrote:
He doesn't lose his fighting ability...

I agree. But that is the reason why I used Extra Duration and Versatility. Itís not perfect but itís at least true to the concept.

Clint wrote:
...his mimicry is just an explanation for how he got it and why he is hard to hit... unless someone does something he hasn't seen before and isn't expecting.
...
So the mimicry isn't really the power, but a limitation on some of his powers.

I donít know. Letís stay with Taskmaster. His power seems more active than ďjustĒ Parry and Deflection. (Of course Super Skill: Fighting and Super Edges are still a must with the concept)

From the ďpagesĒ of marvel-online:

History
The man who would become the Taskmaster first demonstrated unusual abilities during childhood. After watching a cowboy show on television, he found himself able to duplicate the sophisticated rope tricks he had just watched the cowboy perform.

Abilities
Taskmaster possesses photographic reflexes, which enables him to watch another personís physical movements and duplicate them without practice, no matter how complex. This ability is only limited by the fact that he does not possess superhuman strength or other superhuman attributes.
[This is the part Iím talking about]
Taskmaster has made extensive use of video tapes and movies to study the movements of superhuman adventurers, as well as athletes, marksmen, stunt performers, and soldiers. Thus he has gained a wide range of combat and acrobatic skills. These skills include, but are not limited to, all present day and many historical martial arts, boxing, wrestling, swordsmanship, archery, marksmanship, gymnastics, aerial acrobatics and sleight of hand.
[This part can indeed be covered with Super Attributes, Super Skill: Fighting and Super Edges]

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like Super-Sorcery with a trapping of "super-skill and super-Edge only".

Call it 2-1 for costs. Make the skill used to activate it be "Notice" - he's seen the use of the skill - and he should probably only have about 6 points of this, with the rest of his powers being Super-Skill and Super-Attribute.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaRealJudas wrote:
Abilities
Taskmaster possesses photographic reflexes, which enables him to watch another personís physical movements and duplicate them without practice, no matter how complex. This ability is only limited by the fact that he does not possess superhuman strength or other superhuman attributes.
[This is the part Iím talking about]


And what does that do in actual play? Nothing.

Seriously, it's true. That's nothing more than the description (trappings) explaining how his powers work. His physical skills are already jacked up with Super Skill from the experiences listed in his backstory, and he can't really jack them up further in play because all he can do is duplicate a specific action, not the entirity of a skill (if he sees someone use a spin kick he hasn't seen before, then he can perform that spin kick, but that one move doesn't equate to an actual increase in Fighting skill overall).

What actually happens in the comics is that the Taskmaster says, "I've studied your moves; you can't beat me," and the hero proceeds to miss him until he thinks of some original or unexpected way (Trick or surprise) to catch the Taskmaster offguard.

Now, you could have someone powerwise who could duplicate entire skills, but with photographic reflexes and especially Taskmaster, I see it simply as a trapping and a type of limitation really.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I admit that seems to be right. I can totally get where you going.
But for me that sounds like perfect for an NPC. How would you propose to spend your (letís go nuts with Super Karma and Power Points Edge at Novice Rank and say) 20 PP on this concept for a player character? Would you for example go for the Catch and Throw modification for Parry?
And as far as I know Tricks can be used over and over again (lot of sand at the beach for example)? That would cancel the Parry/Deflection bonus every timeÖ





btw I actually having fun with this! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuesday wrote:
Sounds like Super-Sorcery with a trapping of "super-skill and super-Edge only".

Call it 2-1 for costs. Make the skill used to activate it be "Notice" - he's seen the use of the skill - and he should probably only have about 6 points of this, with the rest of his powers being Super-Skill and Super-Attribute.


Oh and Tuesday: I like your idea. Especially the usage of the Notice skill. Nice touch...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaRealJudas wrote:
How would you propose to spend your (letís go nuts with Super Karma and Power Points Edge at Novice Rank and say) 20 PP on this concept for a player character? Would you for example go for the Catch and Throw modification for Parry?


Depends on if I want the Novice character to start with that ability, but I figure they could "learn" if they chose to (spend the PPs from an advancement). TM certainly caught Cap's shield a time or possibly more (but TM is an NPC and pretty experienced).

I figure a Novice may not have trained up their physical abilities to the max yet, so maybe 3 (or 6) PPs bumping the physical Attributes a die type or two.

Deflection 3 with the limitation above for 1 PP.
Parry 3 with the same (1 PP) or 3 PPs to add Catch and Throw.

Maybe 2 Super Edges to represent some specific training viewed for 4 PPs.

1 point in Gifted (actually has photographic reflexes as a trapping)

Then 7 (or 10) PPs in Super Skill to increase all the physical skills (linked to Agility to Strength) beyond a d4 that may have been studied more intently.

As a "normal" Edge, I'd probably pick up some physical Edges that can't be gotten with Super Edge like Acrobat or others of that nature.

Then as the character gains PPs (and level-ups), I'd just expand on those abilities.

DaRealJudas wrote:
And as far as I know Tricks can be used over and over again (lot of sand at the beach for example)? That would cancel the Parry/Deflection bonus every timeÖ


Only if successful. It still requires an action and winning an opposed Agility or Smarts roll. Also repeating the same Trick over and over is not too "clever" and definitely grounds for the GM to apply a situational modifier to the roll.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, thanks. I think, I can work with this. Very Happy
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