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RooksGambit · Veteran Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 955

There are always ways to incorporate everyone into a scenario, or almost always.

Mayber your team is infiltrating a CorpHQ for a piece of info that's kept strictly on hard copy for security purposes. Your samurai's going to need to do the infiltrating while the rest of your team takes up positions, trying to blend in with the other employees. Perhaps they even smoothtalk some flesh and blood security to buy the sam and the decker time to hack the security systems protecting the item so the samurai can snatch and run.

Sure, that might be a one-time scenario, but surely you can find a way to keep everyone occupied using their talents. And on occasion, it's alright to let each of them have the spotlight now and then so they can display their mAd sKillz.

That said, I've never played Shadowrun to know how a game might go. The only foundation I have to go by is a novel called Neuromancer (I forget the author), which has some extremely similar things going on. I'm sure one snatched a little from the other at some point.
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Sitting Duck · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:06 am Post subject:

IIRC, Neuromancer was written by William Gibson and was published in 1984, five years before Shadowrun came out.
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Mr. Bob Dobolina · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:12 pm Post subject:

In the most recent books, even FanPro admits to the decker syndrome as they give 'quick and dirty' rules for two of the bigger spotlight vampires: dckers and riggers. And don;t get me started on astral quests and magic-users....

It will be interesting to see what changes in the 4th Ed that's supposed to be out at Gen Con. The press release makes it sound like their pushing the line forward and it almost sounds like they're taking a crack at a Shadowrun version of CyberGeneration.
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charliebananas · Veteran Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 882 Location: U.K

Every CyberPunk game thats come out so far has stolen from Neuromancer, and Gibson's other punk stories. He truly is the god-father of the genre as it is today, with a respectful nod to Philip K Dick.
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Mr. Bob Dobolina · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject:

Gibson is to cyberpunk what Tolkien is to fantasy.

I like the mass battle rules applied as a broader "extended action/montage" system. I''m still working on the blackjacker rules, though Wink

Are there any good rules for savaged cyberware somewhere? I want to see how other folks approached it.

I'm also thinking about having players control pieces of 'turf' that have three types of zones: rez zones where folks live, corporate zones where folks work, and commerical zones where folks play. Illegal activities can be set up in any zone, but usually the higher the risk of getting caught, the more lucrative the enterprise. Maybe have a section on different cities on how much turf a city has and special effects of specific sig tings (like the strip in Vegas or Wall Street for NY)
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charliebananas · Veteran Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 882 Location: U.K

There are 2 different approaches down this page...

www.savageheroes.com/conversions.htm

I used these as a starting point for my cthulhupunk game.
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Mr. Bob Dobolina · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:

Hmmm, after eading the cyberpunk and cybertek rules, I definitely like the cybertek ones a little better. Though the original idea i has was basically letting players buy Edges as cybertek with some sort of bad mojo in exchange for cutting uop the body and replacing it with cool cyber guns. this works well for some of the funky powers too, since those can represent cyberguns, emp fields, and whatnot. The trick is how to differentiate cyberedges from regular ones.

Bad mojo idears:

1)A limit of mods equal to the lowest die type Attribute. Depending on what that attribute is, when they hit the max, something bad happens.

2)Making a vigor check when every they take damage modded by +1 for every chunk of cyber they got. Failure means something gets broken.

3)Half the cost of a mod but then its obvious cyber. -1 to charisma. Most folks that possess big chrome are either ex-military/corp soldier or mafioso.
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MadTinkerer · Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject:

I voted for the 20s before I read the thread. "Chrome and Respect" or whatever it ends up being called intrigues me more than a standard 20s Gangster game.

That said, 20s or contemporary are the two that command the most respect because of 1)The Godfather 2) Grand Theft Auto. If I was starting from scratch, I would have picked one of those two. Both the first Godfather film and GTA: San Andreas are just friggin great!

But cyberpunk gangsters? That's like peanut butter and chocolate! Besides, I've always felt that a lot of the cyberpunk attitude is similar to the gangster mentality. Very neat synergy there.
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Mr. Bob Dobolina · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject:

The "you are IN the computer running around and seeing cool CGI effects" is a definite draw/cliche of cyberpunk. The "decker/netrunner gets his own mini-adventure while everybody else twiddles their thumbs and/or reads the books" doesn't have to be.

The cyberware in C&R is flashy but not quite up to 'supers' standards. Everything is effects based. It doesn't matter of you get an extra card for initiative from wired reflexes or injections of Tiger DNA, the effect is that same.

The formula for the cost would be a set cost for the type of Edge purchased (Legendary= expensive) multiplied by how many prereq's the edge has.

The downsides for cyber
1)Maintenance cost. Every month, you have to pay a percentage of your money to update your cyberware (repair costs, software updates, servo maintenance) If you don't pay it, your tech goes dead.

2)Cyberstigma: Only ex-military and made men have large amounts of cyber tek.
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Mr. Bob Dobolina · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject:

Alright, pardner, ya got me. I don't.

But I know you guys are smart enough to do it that way anyway since its easier to deal with rules on superstrength and not get bogged down with the differences between a blast of fire for 2d6 and gun that does 2d6.
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zeth · Veteran Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 591

So you make any progress on Chrome and Respect? or did it die off?

danbuter1 · Novice Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 11

I picked the 20's, because at this time the Sicilians hadn't already won.
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